What's a good/fast 60 time for a 14 year old?
Resently I had a tryout and they said I ran a 6'2 60 yard dash. But I did run on concreate so I most likely run a 6'3, 6'4 on a field.
So I was woundering how fast am I.
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A 6.2 would make you among the fastest humans on the planet, so someone has probably misinformed you on your time.
Your probably right. Maybe It was a 7'2 or high 6's, instead but I'm not sure.
My CF at PK Yonge in Gainesville, FL ran a 6.19 60 at PG, he was drafted out of HS in the 4th round (2006 draft) (first pick in the 4th) by the Kansas City Royals. Derrick Robinson is one of the fastest ball players I have ever seen.
Sounds like you are still in the "fast" category, keep up the good work!
Sounds like you are still in the "fast" category, keep up the good work!
I just read that my secondbaseman, Aaron Conway, was again timed at 6.4 for the 60. This would be the second showcase where he was clocked that fast. He was clocked at 6.5, I believe, at the area code games. He is the fastest kid I've ever coached. Some of the posters from the Illinois forum can verify these times.
Can definitely agree to that CoachB. Standing along the first base side at your place and watching him gain on the ball thrown by our third basemen.
But of course that wasn't the only funny thing that happened that day, was it Coach?
Watch out for your head!
But of course that wasn't the only funny thing that happened that day, was it Coach?
Watch out for your head!
What are the best ways to get faster?
Sometimes the best thing is to pray because if you arent born with it you will not get it
There is no way a 8.0 60 runner becomes a 7.0 60 runner
You have to learn to deal with the talents that you are born with
There are no shortcuts or quick fixes !!!
There is no way a 8.0 60 runner becomes a 7.0 60 runner
You have to learn to deal with the talents that you are born with
There are no shortcuts or quick fixes !!!
I have seen a kid run a 7.8 in the winter of his junior year in HS become a 6.8 runner at the beginning of his junior year in college. It is done with late maturers, along with God-given ability and a dedication to improvement.
The most improvement I've ever witnessed and not just running times... Sophomore in high school ran around 9 flat in the 60. As a freshman in college he was timed in 6.9. This boy didn't do much of anything well as a sophomore in high school. Now he is a Division II all conference player who could get drafted next year.
With the correct training techniques it is possible to drop 60 time a full second or more.
It does take work, but it is certainly possible and almost predictable if done properly.
It does take work, but it is certainly possible and almost predictable if done properly.
I can speak for myself, a former runner, that I was a 7.5 freshman who was 6.5 by the time I was a senior in high school. So it can be done.
But, and I don't want this to come out like a brag (but it will), I was the exception and not the rule. I ran track in the winter and played baseball in the spring in high school and did both during the summer. I had the benefit of technique training, as my high school track coaches were very good, and it was the golden age for track in the U.S.
And the genetics were in my favor for that, too. If only they had been better for hitting the curveball, ...
Look, the heavy-legged kid can get better, but he's probably never going to run 6.9 or better. And if he hits like a triphammer or throws 90 mph, it won't matter.
The guide really is unchanged over a long period of time: Average is 7.0. If you run 6.9 or better, you're above average. If you run 6.7 of better, you're flat fast. If you run 6.5 or better, your're national/world class.
But, and I don't want this to come out like a brag (but it will), I was the exception and not the rule. I ran track in the winter and played baseball in the spring in high school and did both during the summer. I had the benefit of technique training, as my high school track coaches were very good, and it was the golden age for track in the U.S.
And the genetics were in my favor for that, too. If only they had been better for hitting the curveball, ...
Look, the heavy-legged kid can get better, but he's probably never going to run 6.9 or better. And if he hits like a triphammer or throws 90 mph, it won't matter.
The guide really is unchanged over a long period of time: Average is 7.0. If you run 6.9 or better, you're above average. If you run 6.7 of better, you're flat fast. If you run 6.5 or better, your're national/world class.
quote:I was the exception and not the rule.
IMO - Everyone who shows giant improvement is an exception to the rule. The first step is to have a strong desire to be the exception. Most people simply except the rule and never come close to reaching their potential. Players never reach their limit by accident!
"Sometimes the best thing is to pray because if you arent born with it you will not get it
There is no way a 8.0 60 runner becomes a 7.0 60 runner
You have to learn to deal with the talents that you are born with"
HAHAHA THATS A JOKE
There is no way a 8.0 60 runner becomes a 7.0 60 runner
You have to learn to deal with the talents that you are born with"
HAHAHA THATS A JOKE
quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
Can definitely agree to that CoachB. Standing along the first base side at your place and watching him gain on the ball thrown by our third basemen.
But of course that wasn't the only funny thing that happened that day, was it Coach?
Fastest I've moved in a LOOOOOONG TIME!
TRhit...proved wrong once again...heh heh heh!
soxnole
Not necessarily---it is all a matter of opinions--I firmly belive that a 8.0 runner will not be a 7.0 runner--a 7.0 runner can become a 6.6/6.7 with physical maturity and good instruction
Nothing is ever "proved" when opinions are offered except in your mind--
I would not laugh if I were you--it just shows how shallow you are--
Not necessarily---it is all a matter of opinions--I firmly belive that a 8.0 runner will not be a 7.0 runner--a 7.0 runner can become a 6.6/6.7 with physical maturity and good instruction
Nothing is ever "proved" when opinions are offered except in your mind--
I would not laugh if I were you--it just shows how shallow you are--
Man,..the " 60 times " issue really gets to some of the posters on this website. I wonder WHY that is?
Although I know I do not completely understand all of the controversy, ( done battle with the 60 times subject before ), I do KNOW that personal insults thrown back and forth at one another, get in the way of those of us trying to understand the issues/opinions/information/answers stemming from the original question posted.
**Please take note: The question was posed by a FOURTEEN year old,..asking a simple question.
Lets be adult-like if we are adults,...lets answer civily, especially IF you want the 14 year old to RESPECT your opinions/guidence.
Thx,...I'm off my "momma's manners " podium now.
Tip toeing out,.........
Although I know I do not completely understand all of the controversy, ( done battle with the 60 times subject before ), I do KNOW that personal insults thrown back and forth at one another, get in the way of those of us trying to understand the issues/opinions/information/answers stemming from the original question posted.
**Please take note: The question was posed by a FOURTEEN year old,..asking a simple question.
Lets be adult-like if we are adults,...lets answer civily, especially IF you want the 14 year old to RESPECT your opinions/guidence.
Thx,...I'm off my "momma's manners " podium now.
Tip toeing out,.........
At first, I actually agreed with you, Mr. nice guy.....
I haven't personally seen a 1 second drop in the 60....however PG Staff seems like a reliable source to me. If he says a player cut 2.1 seconds off his time, then I think you should admit (for once) that you are, indeed, wrong about this!
Firm belief's aside, old Chris Columbus sailed anyway!
A sense of humor is a wonderful thing. Darn shame you missed it when it was passed out.
hee hee.
I haven't personally seen a 1 second drop in the 60....however PG Staff seems like a reliable source to me. If he says a player cut 2.1 seconds off his time, then I think you should admit (for once) that you are, indeed, wrong about this!
Firm belief's aside, old Chris Columbus sailed anyway!
A sense of humor is a wonderful thing. Darn shame you missed it when it was passed out.
hee hee.
shortstopmom,
Very good post!
QUOTE: "The question was posed by a FOURTEEN year old,..asking a simple question. Lets be adult-like if we are adults,...lets answer civily..."
Please, adult members of this board, do not use a thread like this to air your personal disagreements. You can post a differing opinion without the personal shots at each other! If you must express your personal dislike for another member, do it by e-mail, PM, carrier pigeon, Goodyear blimp ... I don't care where, but please, not here!
Board Manners
Thank you,
Julie
Very good post!
QUOTE: "The question was posed by a FOURTEEN year old,..asking a simple question. Lets be adult-like if we are adults,...lets answer civily..."
Please, adult members of this board, do not use a thread like this to air your personal disagreements. You can post a differing opinion without the personal shots at each other! If you must express your personal dislike for another member, do it by e-mail, PM, carrier pigeon, Goodyear blimp ... I don't care where, but please, not here!
Board Manners
Thank you,
Julie
1 second improvements are extremely rare. In the case of the player I mentioned, there are some good reasons for over a 2 second improvement. He was a soft (pudgy) kid who was very immature physically as a 9th grader. He is now 6’2/195 and very strong. His improvement was a combination of maturity, perfecting technique and form, and a lot of hard work and dedication. Every bit of improvement just made him work that much more. He had the mentality that allowed him to accomplish what seemed impossible.
My point in this thread is simply this… Boundaries and limits are for those who don’t dream or they aren’t willing to put in the necessary effort. It’s my belief that most (not all) limitations are a result of what is between the ears. Everything is impossible until someone proves it otherwise. The world is full of those who accepted their limitations.
The record books are filled with those who were willing to believe!
I’m no expert and sure have no interest in arguing. I’ve just seen too many instances of people doing what others thought impossible. Many people that we all know by name… we just didn’t always get to see the journey they took. Not every star athlete was born that way.
There is nothing I like more than seeing a young kid who shows very little ability, grow up to be a star player! IMO - Shooting for the moon can actually be more important than actually reaching the moon. Reality is boring!
My point in this thread is simply this… Boundaries and limits are for those who don’t dream or they aren’t willing to put in the necessary effort. It’s my belief that most (not all) limitations are a result of what is between the ears. Everything is impossible until someone proves it otherwise. The world is full of those who accepted their limitations.
The record books are filled with those who were willing to believe!
I’m no expert and sure have no interest in arguing. I’ve just seen too many instances of people doing what others thought impossible. Many people that we all know by name… we just didn’t always get to see the journey they took. Not every star athlete was born that way.
There is nothing I like more than seeing a young kid who shows very little ability, grow up to be a star player! IMO - Shooting for the moon can actually be more important than actually reaching the moon. Reality is boring!
Work on your leg strength. Stay flexible.
And practice running the bases.
That is how you improve your GAME speed.
In an actual baseball game - you have to run the bases. You do not have to pass a baton - or set a world speed record.
Its baseball - not a track and field meet.
You just have to get to the next base. And then the next one - and then the next one.
And practice running the bases.
That is how you improve your GAME speed.
In an actual baseball game - you have to run the bases. You do not have to pass a baton - or set a world speed record.
Its baseball - not a track and field meet.
You just have to get to the next base. And then the next one - and then the next one.
You know itsinthegame, I agree with you. Base running is much different than running a 60yd dash. The problem is, we all know, that this is the benchmark by which speed is measured as a tool. If you don't get sub 7 your baseball opportunities are (apparently) severely reduced. If you play middle infield I have heard that mid 6's is where you need to be. I have heard it explained as reaction time...the ability to explode on a ball hit up the middle. The 60 time seemes to have more to do with defense than offense. The home to first time may be the benchmark for that (offense). 
Florida,
I agree with you - it is like an incessant drumbeat - just like the radar gun and the fastball. And this stuff is something that we all have to deal with now in the showcase era - like it or not.
But heres the problem.
You see a really "fast" kid run the bases like a drunken donkey. No instinct - no footwork - just straight speed. And everyone raves about his 6.4 time in the 60.
It is nice to have speed - but you also need to know how to use the speed.
IMO.
I agree with you - it is like an incessant drumbeat - just like the radar gun and the fastball. And this stuff is something that we all have to deal with now in the showcase era - like it or not.
But heres the problem.
You see a really "fast" kid run the bases like a drunken donkey. No instinct - no footwork - just straight speed. And everyone raves about his 6.4 time in the 60.
It is nice to have speed - but you also need to know how to use the speed.
IMO.
My son has improved from an 8.08 at the PG Underclass in Wareham last summer to 7.47 at a recent clinic at UMass and he's had to work his tail off over the past year to shave off that .61. I don't expect his 60's to get much faster but like itsinthegame has intimated, I can't think of anytime in a baseball game when a player has to run 60 yards in straight line. My comfort is that the kid is a student of the game and a very smart baserunner, I'll take that any day.
quote:Originally posted by PopTime:
My comfort is that the kid is a student of the game and a very smart baserunner, I'll take that any day.
In addition to his hard work - and the resulting improvement in his speed - the traits included in your quote (above) are frequently the deciding factors in winning ballgames.
Focusing training on reactive strength will not only drop 60 time, but will significantly enhance game speed.
As much as I agree that game speed is what really matter, the 60 time will continue to garner the attention that it does as long as coaches and scouts place a premium on it.
FYI, My personal 60 stats...7.97 senior year of HS. 6.87 Junior year of college. It can be done. It does take the correct work. And a whole lot of it.
As much as I agree that game speed is what really matter, the 60 time will continue to garner the attention that it does as long as coaches and scouts place a premium on it.
FYI, My personal 60 stats...7.97 senior year of HS. 6.87 Junior year of college. It can be done. It does take the correct work. And a whole lot of it.
At the end of the summer following his sophomore year in high school, my son was hand-clocked at 7.68. He's tall with long legs/stride and never had the best acceleration...he had more first to third-type speed. However, he had mono in the late spring, lost weight and never gained it back throughout the long summer season...it just killed his stamina, strength and speed. Hence, he dropped out of s****r, his fall sport, and went to a personal trainer during the off-season to try to get bigger/stronger w/o losing flexibility, etc.
What a difference that made! The caloriic intake (3500 per/day) and work-outs even improved his speed. He was 6'1"/165 throughout sophomore year, but went down to 156 due to the weight loss. However, 2 months after he started w/ the trainer, he was 175, then went to a college camp and was hand-clocked at 7.38. During high school tryouts last February, he was 6'2"+/181 and ran a hand-clocked 7.09. His trainer (who worked w/ Bob Kersee for 11 years) said that type of improvement, while maybe not typical, isn't terribly unusual. Moreover, he said some additional work on his start and running technique would very likely drop him under 7.0.
One thing the trainer said was that pretty extreme variances in speed were possible due to a combination of factors: Hand-clocked times can vary significantly, depending on who is manning the stopwatch; good running technique and an explosive start are both very important; but some poor times can appear (even w/ somebody who is very fast) just due to the failure to run a perfectly straight line to the finish. He said to always pick a target at the finish line and run straight to it...strive to make any 60 yard dash EXACTLY 60 yards and no more...it's tough to get your best time in the 60 when you ran a 63+ yard race.
What a difference that made! The caloriic intake (3500 per/day) and work-outs even improved his speed. He was 6'1"/165 throughout sophomore year, but went down to 156 due to the weight loss. However, 2 months after he started w/ the trainer, he was 175, then went to a college camp and was hand-clocked at 7.38. During high school tryouts last February, he was 6'2"+/181 and ran a hand-clocked 7.09. His trainer (who worked w/ Bob Kersee for 11 years) said that type of improvement, while maybe not typical, isn't terribly unusual. Moreover, he said some additional work on his start and running technique would very likely drop him under 7.0.
One thing the trainer said was that pretty extreme variances in speed were possible due to a combination of factors: Hand-clocked times can vary significantly, depending on who is manning the stopwatch; good running technique and an explosive start are both very important; but some poor times can appear (even w/ somebody who is very fast) just due to the failure to run a perfectly straight line to the finish. He said to always pick a target at the finish line and run straight to it...strive to make any 60 yard dash EXACTLY 60 yards and no more...it's tough to get your best time in the 60 when you ran a 63+ yard race.
For all the 60 times we clock, and we all agree that the player with more speed will get more opportunites, unles he's a total masher, we should always take those players out to the bases for a thorough session on baserunning. Other here have pointed out that runners will not be going in a straight 60 often.
The player must be taught good reads on the pitchers moves, reading the down angle and knowing the catcher, good leads and secondaries. How to walk back off 2nd and move forward with momentum as the pitcher comes set. How to tag up and get the best jump. How about the 1st step out of the box, thats so important. How to round the bags efficiently and cut the distance, How and where to slide, how to read the tag. Speed is looked at so often these days, but I wouldn't want the "Drunken Donkey".
The player must be taught good reads on the pitchers moves, reading the down angle and knowing the catcher, good leads and secondaries. How to walk back off 2nd and move forward with momentum as the pitcher comes set. How to tag up and get the best jump. How about the 1st step out of the box, thats so important. How to round the bags efficiently and cut the distance, How and where to slide, how to read the tag. Speed is looked at so often these days, but I wouldn't want the "Drunken Donkey".
i have always reasoned that the reason kids with good 60 times get attention is because they have taken the hardest part of baserunning and mastered it, and by hardest i mean hardest to develop. There are many more players with the capacity to run the bases correctly than there are to run a 6.6. So a 6.6 runner now has the potential for game changing speed in the eyes of a scout, where a kid that runs a 7.1 that is a good baserunner will be just that, a good baserunner, at the next level, where the 6.6 kid with good coaching could become a major threat to sleal bases and things like that. The 7.1 runner will never be able to to that because he just isn't fast enough, and coaching won't make him faster.
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:
I just read that my secondbaseman, Aaron Conway, was again timed at 6.4 for the 60. This would be the second showcase where he was clocked that fast. He was clocked at 6.5, I believe, at the area code games. He is the fastest kid I've ever coached. Some of the posters from the Illinois forum can verify these times.
So he was the "Conway" clocked at the Pirates' tryout recently. I wondered who that was. 5'8", 160 lbs with 4 homeruns, too! .437 ba.
Not surprisingly he had 7 triples and 24 SBs for Triad last year.
Yes. Aaron will be a 4 year starter for us as was his brother. Aaron is getting looks from several major D-1 schools. The icing on the cake is that he is such a great kid!
quote:Originally posted by All-starshortstop3:
What's a good/fast 60 time for a 14 year old?
Resently I had a tryout and they said I ran a 6'2 60 yard dash. But I did run on concreate so I most likely run a 6'3, 6'4 on a field.
So I was woundering how fast am I.
At your age, you can improve everything you do on the baseball field. I have seen 14 year olds who ran 8.0 become 17 year olds who run 6.9. I have seen 14 year olds hit the ball 300 ft and then at 17, hit it 400 ft. I have seen 14 year olds throw 78 mph and then throw 88mph at 17. Work hard, and try and improve all your skills along with your running, as the next few years can turn you from a suspect into a prospect.