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Relays to 3B from RF

coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
Been doing some thinking (yes I realize this is not a good thing but bear with me). Virtually everyone does the 2B drop back to relay the ball from RF to 3B. Since we want a long throw then a short throw due to accuracy and getting it there in a hurry it just seems that using the SS instead of 2B for the relay.

Think about it like this - the SS only has to move several feet to set up while the 2B has to hustle and cover some ground to get set up for the throw. I realize everyone has the SS at the bag in case of a huge turn but why can't the 2B do this?

Does this make sense? Just seems to be more efficient since the SS doesn't have to move as much as the 2B to get into position.

Thoughts? Anybody want to talk me out of it?

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R realteamcoach100+ posts
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Originally posted by coach2709:
Been doing some thinking (yes I realize this is not a good thing but bear with me). Virtually everyone does the 2B drop back to relay the ball from RF to 3B. Since we want a long throw then a short throw due to accuracy and getting it there in a hurry it just seems that using the SS instead of 2B for the relay.

Think about it like this - the SS only has to move several feet to set up while the 2B has to hustle and cover some ground to get set up for the throw. I realize everyone has the SS at the bag in case of a huge turn but why can't the 2B do this?

Does this make sense? Just seems to be more efficient since the SS doesn't have to move as much as the 2B to get into position.

Thoughts? Anybody want to talk me out of it?


We have always had SS relay that throw. Once the ball is past the 2B, he peels back to the bag. It actually encourages a big turn from the runner, as he doesn't know the 2B is behind him.

You want your SS handling the baseball as much as possible. I didn't know that anybody really used their 2B in this situation.
N NDD100+ posts
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Originally posted by redbird5:
I've never used the 2B on this cut. Always the SS.

Why? On a GB to RF, the 2B will pursue it. To ask him to drop back 40-50' is crazy, IMO.

My philosophy in cuts is that you ,ake th eOF make the long throw so the SS is the logical cutoff guy here.
We do this as well for this reason
CoachOCoachO100+ posts
I'm curious, I can see SS being cut-off on a single to RF with runners on because of the communication behind him and with the play pretty much in front of him.

My train of thought is with a sure double possible triple down the RF line with no one on or with runners on I want my 2B to cut instead of SS.

I still like the old school method of having back up on an errant throw or a botched handling of the throw plus the communication factor personally. I just don't see an accurate throw happening consistently at that distance at a high percentage at this stage of development. Why take the chance of giving up the extra base on a lower percentage throw?
A Ametsman10+ posts
I've never seen the 2B cut to 3B on singles. CoachO, we use this as our double cut. When the outfielder has to turn his back on a sure double it becomes a double cut. Our 2B goes out . When the RF gets to the ball the 2B stops. The SS is in a back up position and the 1B trails the runner to 2B. This would be the only time our 2B would be a cut off to 3B.
CoachOCoachO100+ posts
Ametsman, coach I agree on a single to right I don't want my 2B to handle the relay. That is the SS and 3B responsibility.
I also like to see 2B make the relay to 3B on an extra base hit if there are runners on and the best option is a play at third.I prefer to not let the ball go through to SS unless 2B has to leave his feet or has to try to field a short hop on the throw back in. I also want to make sure that my relay man goes no further than he is capable of throwing from accurately.
I am not absolutely sure, but I think the thread went to a single to RF and I am not convinced that it was the original intent.
CoachOCoachO100+ posts
Hsballcoach, in the situation of a 2B or 3B down the RF line with no one on, my preference is to use 1B and 2B as my double relay. This is the only time I want my 1B in the outfield and I still want my 2B to make the relay throw to 3rd with SS holding at second.
Basically my theory is less moving parts and from my point of view I still see the overall play being more under control.

I certainly don't disagree with your philosophy. If it works for you then more power to you and don't change it.
H hsballcoach100+ posts
This is what happens when I am doing too many things at once! CoachO, you are correct and that is how we do it. Second goes out, 1st drops in behind and SS is at the bag. Sure double - potential triple down the line with no one on. Sorry for the confusion, brain freeze thinking about all the end of year stuff. Thanks for keeping me on track.
CoachOCoachO100+ posts
Hsballcoach, don't be sorry for that, I fully understand. I just decided to hang 'em up recently but I still love to see the interest and enthusiasm that you and others on here display. This is what keeps the game near and dear for me. Hopefully you have a long coaching career in front of you and enjoy it as much as I did and do.

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