Thanks.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
I think it was residue from an old melted "reggie bar"
Couldn't possibly be from a Reggie bar - it would have been yellow - everyone knows that a reggie bar was covered with mustard... and told you how good it was...
to quote snoopy: AAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!
First someone else beat me to the one liner - and then I blew the quote...
First someone else beat me to the one liner - and then I blew the quote...
Im a bit surpised the bobbleheads missed the cryptic, wrong handed, pre-game reminder he scrawled on his arm....
Dad04-
I think thats the tattoo that I saw put on during an episode of Miami Ink
I think thats the tattoo that I saw put on during an episode of Miami Ink
Well like the kids say "at least he's not on HFC or whatever, I think."
Here's a link to a series of pictures that SI has of the spot...
- SI Pictures
My theory is that he WAS cheating and this patch was his "hidden" store of pine tar. In other words, if he got caught, he could wash it off and say he was clean. However, he (or Pudge) had a second stash that he was using.
You see this in the spy movies. Someone plants a bug in an obvious place so that it will be found and another one that is much better hidden. Once the first bug is found, the searchers figure the problem is solved and don't look for the second bug.
The second stash explains why his performance didn't suffer after he was "caught".
- SI Pictures
My theory is that he WAS cheating and this patch was his "hidden" store of pine tar. In other words, if he got caught, he could wash it off and say he was clean. However, he (or Pudge) had a second stash that he was using.
You see this in the spy movies. Someone plants a bug in an obvious place so that it will be found and another one that is much better hidden. Once the first bug is found, the searchers figure the problem is solved and don't look for the second bug.
The second stash explains why his performance didn't suffer after he was "caught".
Where else on his body could something that looked like that not raise suspicion?
08Dad:
Don't fret too much...it was probably 60-70% as funny the second time around...that's not too bad...beats my stuff most of the time.
quote:Originally posted by 08Dad:
to quote snoopy: AAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!
First someone else beat me to the one liner - and then I blew the quote...
Don't fret too much...it was probably 60-70% as funny the second time around...that's not too bad...beats my stuff most of the time.
Dad04:
I'm amazed as well...it was completely spelled out for them.
Harry Caray would've had fun with this one...
" You know Stony...pine tar spelled bacwards is enip rat...I'm not certain what an enip is, but I do know what a rat is."
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
Im a bit surpised the bobbleheads missed the cryptic, wrong handed, pre-game reminder he scrawled on his arm....
I'm amazed as well...it was completely spelled out for them.
Harry Caray would've had fun with this one...
" You know Stony...pine tar spelled bacwards is enip rat...I'm not certain what an enip is, but I do know what a rat is."
Wood, Rogers wears a batting practice hat with a dark underbill (game ones have the light grey underbill). It's pretty ratty, though lots of pitchers' are. And the Tigers have a dark cap in any case. Gossip around the internet is that the back of the cap was his storage spot, and that after the 'wash off' he seemed strangely attached to his glove, not removing it (so the story goes) in case of an invasive Fox camera.
Whew! Thanks for that report Orlando...I was imagining a nether region where this tar wouldn't look out of place. 
And those pesky, invasive FOX cameras...try a little Ortho® Weed-B-Gon® MAX™ Weed Killer...even works in the rain!
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I believe the trainer had to remove the cap from the Roaster's thumb with paint thinner immediately after this photo was taken.
This is an issue for the media, and now the fans. I sat in the first row, right next to the Cardinal dugout. A friend who was watching on TV called during the first inning and told me that Rogers was going to be tossed. As I watched the interaction in the Cardinal dugout, though I could not hear anything they were saying, this did not seem to be an issue to them.
When the ump talked to Kenny between innings, there was no body language that indicated they discussed his hand, and Rogers said after the game that they discussed the amount of time between innings and that he could take more time getting to the mound.
Bottom line is that the Cardinals got two hits off Rogers and the Tigers evened the series. That is the real news!!!
If the Tigers win in six games and Rogers pitches well in game six, he is a likely candidate to be the Series MVP.
When the ump talked to Kenny between innings, there was no body language that indicated they discussed his hand, and Rogers said after the game that they discussed the amount of time between innings and that he could take more time getting to the mound.
Bottom line is that the Cardinals got two hits off Rogers and the Tigers evened the series. That is the real news!!!
If the Tigers win in six games and Rogers pitches well in game six, he is a likely candidate to be the Series MVP.
Pine tar is used by pitchers for extra grip on the ball during cold or wet weather. While it is to no real advantage as far as ball flight or movement, it does give the pitcher the advantage of sharper offspeed and better location because of "feel".
It was noted during the postgame that around 60-70% of pitchers use it, to which Dusty Baker said, "At least". I'm quite sure that Kenny Rogers wasn't the only pitcher to throw in last nights game using pine tar. Anyone notice how much trouble Kinney had controlling the sinker when he came into the game for the Cards? Rookie.
Anyway, I think that because of the friendship between the two managers, LaRussa didn't want to make a big stink about it, just to get his point across. Besides, he knew that even if Rogers took the pine tar off his hand, he had it somewhere else on his body, like most of the other pitchers. The only thing Rogers is truly guilty of is not being a good lier. Clump of dirt, come on Kenny.
It was noted during the postgame that around 60-70% of pitchers use it, to which Dusty Baker said, "At least". I'm quite sure that Kenny Rogers wasn't the only pitcher to throw in last nights game using pine tar. Anyone notice how much trouble Kinney had controlling the sinker when he came into the game for the Cards? Rookie.
Anyway, I think that because of the friendship between the two managers, LaRussa didn't want to make a big stink about it, just to get his point across. Besides, he knew that even if Rogers took the pine tar off his hand, he had it somewhere else on his body, like most of the other pitchers. The only thing Rogers is truly guilty of is not being a good lier. Clump of dirt, come on Kenny.
Ok, so now we have the cap and three pics. Does anyone know if Rogers spent much time in Dallas and, in particular, on a certain grassy knoll?
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:
Ok, so now we have the cap and three pics. Does anyone know if Rogers spent much time in Dallas and, in particular, on a certain grassy knoll?
Could a bit of pine tar be what gave the magic bullet its unusual trajectory?
It's almost as if it knuckled...
;-)
Baseball24:
Welcome aboard the HSBBW. Your commentary is very reasonable on this issue considering that you're from the Show Me state...which is the Big Dog in the Redbird Nation.
Welcome aboard the HSBBW. Your commentary is very reasonable on this issue considering that you're from the Show Me state...which is the Big Dog in the Redbird Nation.
CoachB25:
Well he did spend alot of years with the Texas Rangers, but that knoll he frequented was always devoid of grass.
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:
Ok, so now we have the cap and three pics. Does anyone know if Rogers spent much time in Dallas and, in particular, on a certain grassy knoll?
Well he did spend alot of years with the Texas Rangers, but that knoll he frequented was always devoid of grass.
quote:Originally posted by Baseball24:
Pine tar is used by pitchers for extra grip on the ball during cold or wet weather. While it is to no real advantage as far as ball flight or movement, it does give the pitcher the advantage of sharper offspeed and better location because of "feel".
I disagree.
A well-placed dab of pine tar could interfere with the aerodynamics of the ball in and of itself. This effect would be increased by "accidentally" dropping the ball in the dirt so that some dirt stuck to the pine tar.
The beauty of this is that it would look like a regular old dirty ball, not one that had been doctored.
pain, you may be on to something there.....it's as if a veil has been lifted from my eyes.... 
(oops, you slipped in another post there --- I was commenting on The Magic Bullet. My comment just after yours directly above sounded rude, and I by no means meant it that way!)
One of the Cardinals fan forums is soliciting sign ideas for tomorrow night's game. Nothing terribly clever so far (I suggested a pre-game show by the local and legendary One Hit Wonder group, Bob Kuban and the In-Men First Cut)
Apparently the pros had a much better idea: Dan and Keith on The Dan Patrick Show suggested: Employees Must Wash Hands.
(oops, you slipped in another post there --- I was commenting on The Magic Bullet. My comment just after yours directly above sounded rude, and I by no means meant it that way!)
One of the Cardinals fan forums is soliciting sign ideas for tomorrow night's game. Nothing terribly clever so far (I suggested a pre-game show by the local and legendary One Hit Wonder group, Bob Kuban and the In-Men First Cut)
Apparently the pros had a much better idea: Dan and Keith on The Dan Patrick Show suggested: Employees Must Wash Hands.
Let them use it. what's the big deal? You have batters who have enough armor on to play linebacker for the Packers, gloves, pine tar, maple bats, video tape between at bats, and the feeling that anything on the inner half of the plate is an attempt to take their lives. It was 30 degrees and windy. Pitchers can only go to there mouth if there is a severe threat of frostbite. If Rogers did it congratulations.
thepainguy, that's true but not in this case, and not usually the case. That is an instance where the pitcher is truly trying to cheat. But if you watched the game, and Kenny pitch in general, the Cardinals dugout confirmed that there was no out of the ordinary movement on the ball. If that was the case, the hitters will let the manager know, and Tony would have done something about it.
You can suspect that Tony did not want to bring it up during the inning because he knows that his guys are most likely also doing it as well. They are just much better at hiding it...
quote:Originally posted by Baseball24:
If that was the case, the hitters will let the manager know, and Tony would have done something about it.
Actually, the hitters were complaining about the ball, which is what got Tony's attention.
Also, I posted this photo in the other thread but figured I should post it here as well. It shows the smudge on Rogers hand during his July 5, 2006 start. He isn't doing this just to improve his grip on the ball.
I think what got Tony's attention was the player who was in the clubhouse, that was shown immediately after FOX showed the pine tar, come running down the tunnel to LaRussa's side and tell him what he saw. This was played over and over and LaRussa went to talk to the umpire shortly after, once the inning was finished.
LaRussa has said more than once that there were no complaints about movement of pitches or Rogers "doctoring" the baseball. Whether that's true or not remains with Tony.
I don't argue the fact that pine tar can't be used to the pitchers advantage regarding movement. I never said that it never happens. But whether it's 95 degrees or 45 degrees, pine tar will help with grip and getting a better feel for the pitch. It will help with spinning a better breaker when sweat is running down the hand. It will help with feel of the changeup. It will help with getting the 2-seam to come off the inside.
LaRussa has said more than once that there were no complaints about movement of pitches or Rogers "doctoring" the baseball. Whether that's true or not remains with Tony.
I don't argue the fact that pine tar can't be used to the pitchers advantage regarding movement. I never said that it never happens. But whether it's 95 degrees or 45 degrees, pine tar will help with grip and getting a better feel for the pitch. It will help with spinning a better breaker when sweat is running down the hand. It will help with feel of the changeup. It will help with getting the 2-seam to come off the inside.