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Wondering what the significance of the HS coach's role should be in the recruiting process. I got really good support with my travel team, and the HS coach is not to excited to help anyone.

Is that a turnoff to a college if I don't include him at all? Seems like the travel team coaches pick up the slack for the HS coach so why bother with him as far as contacts for the college, whatever other info they look for from your coaches.

You don't need the HS coach to see academics or anything.
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The job of a high school coach is to organize, manage and teach the game of baseball. Some coaches want to be invovled and to help their kids move along; however, many don't feel it is their responsibility.

In the end your job as a player is to do your best and perform for your high school coach. If you do your job; he will be prepared to give you a strong recomendation if he is called upon by another coach.
ILVBB pretty much hit the nail on the head. The coaches job is defined by the job description of the school district he works for. I would venture to say there are no paragraphs that addresses helping a player get an athletic scholarship or a getting drafted in his job description .... as it should be.

Some HS coaches are very good at helping .... BUT ... The way parents, players, college coaches and pro scouts define the "next level" will probably be quite different that the way the school board sees it. One would expect a high school coach to support the players' goal for a college scholarship or a pro contract as that does put a "feather in his hat" as a coach. However most are not as proactive as parents feel they should be. DON'T DEPEND ON THE HS COACH! The ball is pretty much in the parent/player's court.

Fungo
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Is that a turnoff to a college if I don't include him at all?


If you don't include your HS coach in your list of contacts, it might make them wonder. They may think there is something you are hiding. Why not just list him? As long as he won't give you poor reviews, it can't hurt.

FWIW, our HS coach thought well of sandlotson and even tried to contact some schools, but he just had no influence. We listed him as a contact but the real help came from the showcase coach.
You need to include your high school coach because your son plays for him. And college coaches that do indeed recruit your son will want to talk to his high school coach at some point and time. College coaches are smart enough to know, get a feel for, understand all types of situations with players and coaches. They are going to want to talk to the coach and ask him "What type of young man is he? What type of family are we dealing with here? In your opinion can he play for us? What other schools have contacted you about him? etc etc

They understand that every High School coach is not going to give a glowing endorsement of every player. They also understand there are High School coaches that will give a glowing endorsement on every player they ask about. Its just one piece of the puzzle they are trying to put together. If they hear something negative they are going to weigh everything. If what the coach says is confirmed by other sources it just continues to build a case of NO. If they hear something positive it does the same thing in the other direction.

They are going to make the decision on his ability to play for them with their own eyes. They are going to make the decision if he is the type of young man they want in their program through numerous sources. The High School coach is just one of many sources they will include in putting this puzzle together. If you leave out the High School coach they are going to want to know why.

And of course they are going to talk to him "the player" on the phone and in person and this will give them a very good idea about the player as well to include the parents when they talk to them.

No player is going to get an opportunity or lose an opportunity to play for a college program based on what a High School coach says or does not say. Unless the coaches at the college have a close relationship with the High School coach and the Coach is someone they trust and respect. And even then if the talent is there and everything else they have heard and checked, leads them to believe the coach just has personal issues with the player.

Your sons High School coach. Other High School coaches that have competed against your son and or have seen him play. Summer and Fall coaches. Showcase coaches. Current players and former players in their program that have played with or against your son or have seen him play. Pro scouts that have seen your son play. Parents of current players that have seen your son play and have had a son play with or against your son. Trusted contacts in the baseball commmunity that have seen your son play. And even more sources of information. These are all and more of the people that will provide information on your son to college coaches. To include people like PG, etc.

Some High School coaches take great pride in helping their players find the right fit after High School. Some could careless and dont do a thing. Expect nothing and leave it up to no one else. And if your fortunate to play for a High School coach that wants to help then its all gravy.
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Wondering what the significance of the HS coach's role should be in the recruiting process.


Coach May is correct from our perspective. PrimeJr's suitors had no interest in speaking to his H.S. Coach and, in fact, seemed not to have all that much interest in what he did there his Junior year (other than that he was playing).

Their primary focus was on what they saw as they followed him. When they decided they were interested then they spent a great deal of time talking to his Travel Coach(es). Interestingly enough, we had a Scout call them on Jr.'s behalf during the discussions and his statement to us after talking to them was "that it was the easiest discussion he ever had about a player" .... because they had already made up their mind based on what they saw watching him play during the Summer.
My 2012 son recently committed. His HS coach, as far as we know had zero involvment. In my opinion, the student/athletes family needs to handle the recruiting process from start to finish. If the college recruiter contact the HS coach, that's fine but I would not assume your HS coach will add any value to the process. From what I have seen, a minority of HS coaches are proactive in helping their kids get to the next level. Good luck in your journey!
I realize this section of the site is supposed to be about recruiting, which to most means being offered by an athletic scholarship school. However, keep in mind that many use their baseball prowess as a means to be admitted to a school that otherwise might pass on them from an academic standpoint. Like any other reference, the HS coach (especially if he is also a teacher or administrator) can lend a valuable recommendation from the "whole person" standpoint that might give a boost to an application, or better yet, to a merit aid award. Even for the athletic scholarship, if the coach can provide a good recommendation that lets a college coach know he is getting a quality kid who works hard and is easy to coach, that can't help but help.
Everyone's experience's will differ. But the High School coaches in my area and the ones I work with do indeed work very hard for their players. They are very proactive in helping the players they have that not only have the talent but the desire to play at the next level. Of course there are some that do not help. The same ones that don't help them become better players in most cases. Just dont leave it up to someone else. If they want to help by all means your going to let them. If they don't its no big deal.

But if you leave your High School off the list of contacts in regards to your son when he is being recruited you have to understand they are going to want to know why. And they are going to contact him regardless if you list him or not if they are seriously recruiting your son. Good Luck
I have seen that with high school coaches as with every where else there are really good ones and really poor ones. If you are fortunate enough to attend a school that has a really good one count your blessing. No matter what, high school baseball is a part of any players development and it would be a mistake to exclude that from your information provided to any coach. It would be something that any decent college coach would see right away and give him reason to question why you have not provided it. High school baseball may not get you noticed but it is essential. Many high school coaches are dealing with just fielding a competitive team and filling all the positions with competent players let along dealing with getting kids placed in college. Many times there are players that are the best at one position but have to play another just because that is what is necessary to field as competitive of a team as possible. dealing with this kind of adversity and structure may not be the best situation for every player but it provides a lot of valuable lessons. College coaches understand this and evaluate what the high school coach has to say accordingly but the last thing you want your high school coach to say is something negative if asked. These days he may not even be asked or contacted but not including his information is one sure way of raising the red flag to the college coaches who will likely request his contact information or contact him directly anyway before making a decision if you do not provide it initially.
I think a lot of parents are doing their kids a huge disservice by doing everything for them.

If the kid wants to play baseball in college, then he needs to learn how to handle his own recruting. Not the mom,dad, high school coach, or anyone else.

They can be their to provide advice and guidence, but part of becoming an adult is learning how to do things for yourself. Junior/senior year of high school is when this needs to start happening imo.
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What if the high school head coach is the player's dad? Is the player at a disadvantage bc colleges will blow off any evals by his dad as biased? Son plays part time with a couple other teams (he's well regarded and is regularly invited to tourneys) but primarily plays for a school based travel team his dad runs. The coaches of those outside teams would be willing to provide references, but still, I am concerned about how his "head coach/dad" evals will be received by colleges.
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What if the high school head coach is the player's dad? Is the player at a disadvantage bc colleges will blow off any evals by his dad as biased?


As Coach May says in his post above, the HS coach is only one piece of the puzzle that the college coaches need to evaluate a player. They rely on seeing the player in action, correspondence with the player, AND contacts with coaches (the more the better). Having a Dad as the head HS coach only becomes an issue if you put all your eggs in one basket and don't provide any other contacts.
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That really is a tough one.

Several years ago, the AD at our HS asked baseball parents for feedback on the coaches after a particularly tough season (we had starting seniors quit mid-season, and it was just not a good year all around); I pointed out that none of our coaches did anything like that regarding recruiting or talking up players. We had a good discussion about it; but his position was essentially that they were under no obligation to do so. And, of course, he was right.

Still, in our area, there were few coaches that weren't doing it, so I always believed that it disadvantaged our ballplayers. The lesson we took from it, as was mentioned above, is that you can't count on any of that and should proceed as if you won't get any support from the HS coach (if you do, of course, more the better). On a more positive note, one of the first thing that head coach's replacement did was state that he and his staff would do what they could to be more actively involved in the recruiting process.
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DO NOT... I REPEAT...DO NOT rely on the H.S. coach for help in the recruiting process!!! This part is entirely on you and Jr. Some coaches may go the extra mile and help, but for the most part alot of H.S. coaches are this- A Teacher who wants to boost income somewhat (and in some cases ego) by becoming a coach. No previous credentials required other than a teaching certificate- in most cases. Having once played the sport in H.S. long ago, does not an effective coach make!!!

You may get more help from Summer coaches, as it is in their best interest to see their players advance- thereby lending credibity to their program.

You and Jr. will need to hit the internet, hit HSBW, etc. in this process, unless Jr. is a "can't miss" lefty touching 95... in that case they will find him!
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DO NOT... I REPEAT...DO NOT rely on the H.S. coach for help in the recruiting process!!! This part is entirely on you and Jr. Some coaches may go the extra mile and help, but for the most part alot of H.S. coaches are this- A Teacher who wants to boost income somewhat (and in some cases ego) by becoming a coach. No previous credentials required other than a teaching certificate- in most cases. Having once played the sport in H.S. long ago, does not an effective coach make!!!


Makes me feel sad when I see words like this.

Our son's HS coach could not be better in every aspect...teacher, mentor, coach...appropriate supporter. Nearly every college coach who recruited our son talked to his HS coach first and last. We did our part, he did more than we ever expected on his part.

The advice given above may be true in some cases? It could not be farther from the truth in ours.
I'll give our coach a shout-out, too. He's only in his second year as a head coach, but seems truly thrilled to help in any way he can.

I do know of one coach who has his parents wondering, if not scared, that he might do something to hurt their players if they don't play fall/summer ball for the HS and the travel team with which he is associated.

Edit: I can't imagine any coach doing that, but the perception is there.
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DO NOT... I REPEAT...DO NOT rely on the H.S. coach for help in the recruiting process!!! This part is entirely on you and Jr. Some coaches may go the extra mile and help, but for the most part alot of H.S. coaches are this- A Teacher who wants to boost income somewhat (and in some cases ego) by becoming a coach. No previous credentials required other than a teaching certificate- in most cases. Having once played the sport in H.S. long ago, does not an effective coach make!!!

You may get more help from Summer coaches, as it is in their best interest to see their players advance- thereby lending credibity to their program.

You and Jr. will need to hit the internet, hit HSBW, etc. in this process, unless Jr. is a "can't miss" lefty touching 95... in that case they will find him!


I'm sorry coaches like this do exist and I'm sorry that you had a terrible experience with your coach but please don't make a blanket assessment of us based on emotion. There are MANY high school coaches who do a lot for their kids. I can't prove this but I would bet for every great summer coach out there the number of great high school coaches is pretty similar. For every bad high school coach the number of bad summer coaches is pretty similar.

I tell my guys if they want to play in college what the process is. We sit down and try to figure out what level they would accel at. We try to figure out what academic areas they want to study and then we look at their grades / test scores. Once we get that then the guys go back and start finding schools they think they might want to go to and bring me a list. Then we talk about how THEY need to contact them through phone or email and what to say. Find out where they will be at for showcases, what camps they will host, send a summer schedule and finally they ask what the coach wants from them in order to be seen by them. As everyone has stated the vast majority of work needs to be done by the players / parents. I'll guide them in what needs to be said, how to say it, what to ask and things like that but I will NEVER make first contact for a kid. If the college coach contacts me then I will give them an honest assessment of what I think. I have to maintain credibility because if I blow smoke up their rear on a kid and he doesn't pan out then that coach will never take me seriously again. I tell my guys that and what I will tell the college coach if asked so there is no miscommunication or misunderstandings. After this there's not a whole lot else I can do.

There are two problems with recruiting. Parents watch TV and they see the stud blue chips at college and the talking heads mention how they were recruited by "so and so". They think that the schools go out and find these kids and they will find all kids. But even the blue chip studs still go to camps, showcases, combines, AAU stuff and whatever. The studs are proactive in getting out there to be seen and THEN the college coach starts calling. But the kid started the process. Some parents think the college coach will just find their kid.

The second problem is that parents believe a high school coach or even a summer coach can pick up the phone, make a call and get a full ride for their kid. I don't know where this one comes from but it's so far from the truth. I'm at my 4th school right now as a coach and both these problems have been at all 4 places.

Three weeks ago I drove one of my football players two hours to a school on a visit. I've taken my kids to open tryouts and showcases and whatever else is out there. I would prefer it be the parents that take them but that's not always the case. But I've also had kids give me lists of schools with nothing but top 25 DI schools that routinely appear in the CWS. Now these kids can play at the next level but just not that one. So I don't help them because they won't listen to me about what level they need to play and I'm not going to waste time on a fantasy.
Most? That's what bothers me. How many HS coaches do you really know? How many has your son or son's played for? Most? How about most of the coaches I know? And then tell everyone how many "most" means.

I know a lot of HS coaches. I know a lot of them very well. I have coached with many of my peers during the summer. Our pay is the food we eat, travel costs and thats about it. Why do these coaches do it? They love the game. They love the competition. They love helping the players. Why do the vast majority of the coaches I know coach HS baseball? For the exact same reasons.

I am sorry most of the coaches that coach HS baseball that you know fall into the category that you described in your post. But please dont paint all of them that way. It is so unfair and wrong. The HS coaches that I know and associate with spend a ton of time helping kids that they coach. And just as much time if not more helping kids that will never play for them. Kids that play for those coaches you talk about. Kids that do not have a HS coach willing to assist them or not up to speed on how to actually help a young man out. Or maybe they just see a really good player and while there on the phone make sure the college coach hears about the kid that played against them the other day.

I get calls all the time. Coach have you see the kid at so and so HS play? Do you have any other players in your conference we need to see? A HS coach will only have a couple or so players a year that college coaches will be interested in. Sometimes none sometimes more. But they see a ton of players every year.

MOST HS coaches are coaching because they love the game and they love the relationships they get to build with outstanding young men. They do it in spite of the BS they have to put up with. They do it in spite of the buck fifty an hour most make once you factor in all the time they put in. They do it in spite of the fact they lose time with their own families and miss their own kids games and other activities. MOST HS coaches just like most parents and most HS baseball players are the best people you would ever want to get to know.

Just because you had a bad experience or your most is 1 or 2 dont make blanket statements like that. Its simply not the right thing to do. And it is simply not accurate from my experience and many others.
Coach May & coach2709,

You guys are in this for the Right Reasons...it's obvious by your thought provoking posts, and your willingness to help others on this board on a consistent basis. IMO, the majority of HS coaches want to see their kids move on to the next level. They certainly didn't choose the profession based on the enormous earning potential...they simply enjoy teaching/coaching and helping others succeed. They deal with the politics, complaints about lack of playing time, they help with fundraisers, they take care of the fields, they act as a second family, and some coaches even drive their players for a college visit 2 hours away! Many of these coaches put in the extra hours and go above and beyond the call of duty...and many have young children of their own! Do coaches have ego's? Yes! They're former athletes, and they want to succeed just as badly as anyone else. I don't believe a coach should go out of his way to promote one player over another. However, if asked, he should give an honest assessment to the person requesting information. As Coach said, his reputation is on the line, and he wouldn't want to spoil opportunities for others in the future. I know that there are some Bad Apples, but IMO most coaches are in this for the right reasons and are willing to go that extra mile to help a player...my son's program has the "Poster Coach" that I just described, and there are others like him...unfortunately many times Bad Press wins out...that's my unbiased take, right or wrong!
For those fortunate enough to have experience with a coach who goes out actively helping athletes advance to the next level, coaches them up as well as a summer coach would, and coaches for the love of the game- you sons and daughters are indeed blessed!!!
For those who coach or have coached with these same values- you too are blessed ( and I wish Jr. could have been a part of your program!!!)
I should probably not blanketed this statement with the word "Most", however the best coaching Jr has ever gotten has been at the "Paid Level"- summer travel or private instruction.
This has been our experience- and as I said earlier-you are indeed fortunate if this was not the case for you.
Bsbl247's description of a "Poster Coach" is accurate in many cases- unfortunately. If this does not apply to you, do not take offense at it.
No matter, I still would not rely on the coach- good or bad- to help get Jr to the next level. 90% of the effort for that is up to you and Jr getting out there, getting seen, doing research, asking questions, etc.
$1.50 an hour man i got to move down there, that would be a big raise, LOL....... Just trying to make lite of a messed up situation. I agree that not all coaches should be blanketed in that category. I also agree that a player and parent should initiate contact with the school first, that shows they are willing to work for it.

I think some of the problem with coaches in general is they are not sure of what they can do for a kid. Lets face it some coaches are old and don't know all the new ways, some coaches are to young (being alot of coaches are not around long) and don't know much at all right off the bat, and some coaches are to scared to put there name out there for a kid with the possibility of the kid being a flop and that coach never coming back. The only thing we can do is teach the parent, player, and coach on how some of us actually do things. And if you are a coach that is scared to go out on a limb for a kid, just remember the one thing a player either has or doesn't is work ethic, not just on the field, but in class and in public, if the player doesn't have that then you know he is not likely going to work for an education or compete for a roster spot at the next level.
We have a different problem. Our high school coach approved my son to attend the PG National and Fall classic and he saw great competition.The hs coach, isn't a fan of ANY travel baseball or ANY college camps or showcases. He said that he will be the one to get my son recruited.My son did get permission to attend a college camp just recently,but coach told him if he goes to another college camp requested by a college coach or not he will let the coaches who call he is not a committed player.He said don't waste your money because its all a ripoff.A good showcase doesn't charge money.He will get college coaches and scouts to our games.
This high school team has played non-stop since freshman year.This includes summer,fall winter,spring.My son has only missed 2 practices and 1 game in 1 1/2 years w/permission.The hs team is playing American Legion... No offense,but there are more competitve tournaments & teams out there...this is California and
A.L. isn't always the top competition so to speak during the summer months.(meaning pitchers throwing in the high 80-90's)American Legion is what the coach schedules.Yes,I know he is trying,but I really,really believe its just so the players won't play travelball.We have several talented players.We all feel the kids are in a strangle hold....with the parents stuck in a hard place,especially since many of the players are on a very strong travelball teams with great exposure.Don't get me wrong we do appreciate the fact that he wants to help,but all the parents get the feeling its more about the feather in "his" hat and "total" control over not just my son ,but every player.We can't just sit back and let someone else take total control of something this important. We don't want to rock any boat,we have kept quiet,but are really very worried!Not sure what to do.Maybe just keep working around high school like we have been doing,but my son has already missed some great opportunities.
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A tale of two coaches:
Two high schools in our county, very competitive when we play each other naturally. Very good teams with a lot of talent. Both have historically signed 4-5 players onto the next level each year. Good travel ball system in place that develops the players at the youth level. The college coaches that recruit these kids don't really talk to the travel coaches much, but they do depend heavily on the HS coach recommendations. My boy's HS coach went way out of his way to drum up some interest for my son. He arranged private workouts, took him in his own personal vehicle after school to pitch for a college program he had drummed up interest for. He was intent on finding him the perfect fit because he believed in his abilities and potential. On the other hand, he doesn't do that for undeserving seniors because it reflects on his credibility. But when he sees a kid that has the grades, talent, work ethic, and character integrity he goes the extra mile to get this kid signed. The other coach waits for his phone to ring to answer questions from interested college programs. There is some overlap since we are in the same region and play each other twice a year and have common opponents. In fact, some of the kids signed in his program may have come from sincere recommendations from his cross county rival (my coach) according to what they were looking for.
I have seen firsthand the recruiting effects from both styles of HS coaches in our area. They seem to have the same number of kids signed each year, but the quality of offers is definitely better from the one HS coach that is more involved. One would think that the results would indicate that if you are good enough they will find you...and that may well be true. But the end result is this, a HS coach adept in the recruiting process is your greatest asset. If you have the other kind of coach on your team, find the one coach in the region (like my coach) that is adept in the process that has played against your son and use him for a reference for your kid. It will weigh more heavily than parents opinion or even a travel coach opinion.
My son's High School coach views his job responsibilities to include doing his level best to not only get the prospective D1, top of the line type players he coaches an opportunity to play at the next level but literally gives the D2 or D3, Juco guy equally as much "love" and does all he can to also get them the opportunity to play at whatever the "next level" may be for them. Last season, our team had three MLB Draft Picks and all three opted to go to college (one in the ACC, one in the Big 12 and one in the Big 10) and I can state unequivocally that he worked just as hard at getting our 11th Sr. a roster spot at an Ohio D3 as he did getting any of the three I referenced as MLB Draftees their just due. Taking that position is maybe one of the reasons why he is year in and year out the head of one of the most impressive baseball programs in the State, if not the USA.

I know this thread is a few year's old, but sharing an experience that disheartens me as a father.  LHP 2015 has been getting D1 interest, has had a few very generous mid-major offers, and is talking with his "dream school" weekly...

 

Son is pitching varsity this season and 3rd in rotation, behind two seniors.  Son's dream school is wanting to drive 5 hours to watch pitch this week, but it appears the HS coach is doing everything not to have him throw...even though there is plenty of innings over the next few days (3-4 games)

 

Is this normal behavior from a HS coach?  I know it's really weighing on my son and he is worried about "missing an opportunity" with the college recruiters.  Plays for a great summer team and will get much exposure, so we know there is plenty of time.   

Goblue 55,

 

My two cents......request the college coach call the high school coach to ask about your son's next start or appearance.  This takes your son out of the middle, and may put a little "incentive" with the high school coach not to change his mind or alter the schedule as much as he normally would.   Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Just trying to get some different perspectives and advise on this issue. Our Varsity/JV coaches have no program for our kids. By no program I mean no program. They don't follow them outside of what the HS team does. Yhere is no reaching out to Colleges to promote the players that are deserving of some help. Last fall ball season I e-mailed the coach with our schedule and he never showed up once even though our field approx. 1/4 mile from his house. This lack of attention showed when he kept 3 JR's on JV and now they are sitting the bench bc the freshmen are much better; could have brought in more freshman to develope!!! What can a parent do in this situation or is doing nothing just the way it should be?

HS Ball is just a warmup for Summer Ball.  Very few colleges/pro scouts come out to HS games except for stud pitchers.  Most spend their time at Showcases or following top Summer teams.  Don't waste your time worrying about what HS coach does or does not do, just help your son get with people that can make him better and get him seen. 

In our situation, it was better for our son to take the lead on recruiting after his sophomore year...with active support from my wife and I.  At that early stage, it was more about getting in front of coaches at camps and providing opportunities. 

 

Our HS assistant coach did try to assist in recruiting, but only after our son's senior year started...too late in our opinion and our son had already developed relationships with coaches at all levels of college ball.  In the end, our son signed with a junior college that he had contacted and developed a relationship with the assistant coach. In fact, our son's pitching coach had more to do with his recruiting than his HS coaches. We were recently told by the JUCO coaches that our kid's pitching coach (also a pitching coach at a highly regarded JUCO) sealed the deal. 

 

Don't rely on HS coaches, though be thankful for whatever effort they put in.  They don't get paid $$ for recruiting efforts...at least at our HS. 

 

 

Here's a friendly suggestion to any high school coaches reading this thread: dedicate five minutes of your your preseason orientation speech to this topic so that your players and families know where you stand. I've heard that some HS coaches look at spring recruiting activities as a team distraction.

 

Occasionally my son's HS coach will pass along contact info for a college coach who called him looking for leads. Beyond that, we don't ask much of him and instead rely on the summer coach to promote my son to schools.

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