I'll start with Chris Ledbetter of OPRF. I can't think of anything he leaves undone for each and every kid with even a chance for a ship!
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Coach Gene Cahan, Crete-Monee HS. Grade F, unless your only interest is in going to Concordia.
Soxnole,
I appreciate the intent of this thread but simply stated, it isn't in any high school coach's job description to "get their players a college scholarship." Before anyone jumps my case, last year out of my 3 seniors, 2 received scholarships. This year out of my 5 (we haven't had cuts yet so this can change.) seniors, I believe 4 will receive scholarships. Therefore, I'm doing all that I can to get it done. Now back to the topic, a coach doesn't have any control over those college coaches and their decisions on recruits. I know that the one senior parent that isn't getting a scholarship to this point is very upset with me. All that a coach can do is fill out the forms, have the players fill out the forms and then, do their best to make contacts. Oh, one other thing that HAS TO BE DONE, is to always be honest with the colleges. After that, the coach is powerless
For a reference, here is what I do.
1. I have a Coach's Profile that I ship out with all of my recommendations to enable the colleges to understand that I have been around the block a few times. It includes all of the players that I have coached that have played college baseball, which colleges that they attended and then also includes those that have turned pro and the level that they are at or have achieved in the past.
2. Each player has been told to come into my room and on my computer create a "Folder" with the baseball website of each program that they are interested in. I then go through that "folder" and send out a personalized email to each of those coaches. My players also send out emails to those coaches while also creating a "Player Resume" to send out.
3. I will make one phone call to each coach if that folder is created out of baseball season. When we in season, I am not going to do it unless it is returning a phone call. (I find a lot of college coaches don't like those phone calls when they are in season.)
I truly believe that this is all that I can and should do. I know many of you will disagree. Guess I might get a bad rating.
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
I appreciate the intent of this thread but simply stated, it isn't in any high school coach's job description to "get their players a college scholarship." Before anyone jumps my case, last year out of my 3 seniors, 2 received scholarships. This year out of my 5 (we haven't had cuts yet so this can change.) seniors, I believe 4 will receive scholarships. Therefore, I'm doing all that I can to get it done. Now back to the topic, a coach doesn't have any control over those college coaches and their decisions on recruits. I know that the one senior parent that isn't getting a scholarship to this point is very upset with me. All that a coach can do is fill out the forms, have the players fill out the forms and then, do their best to make contacts. Oh, one other thing that HAS TO BE DONE, is to always be honest with the colleges. After that, the coach is powerless
For a reference, here is what I do.
1. I have a Coach's Profile that I ship out with all of my recommendations to enable the colleges to understand that I have been around the block a few times. It includes all of the players that I have coached that have played college baseball, which colleges that they attended and then also includes those that have turned pro and the level that they are at or have achieved in the past.
2. Each player has been told to come into my room and on my computer create a "Folder" with the baseball website of each program that they are interested in. I then go through that "folder" and send out a personalized email to each of those coaches. My players also send out emails to those coaches while also creating a "Player Resume" to send out.
3. I will make one phone call to each coach if that folder is created out of baseball season. When we in season, I am not going to do it unless it is returning a phone call. (I find a lot of college coaches don't like those phone calls when they are in season.)
I truly believe that this is all that I can and should do. I know many of you will disagree. Guess I might get a bad rating.
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
COACHB25 - I think the intent of the thread is to find the range of what some coaches will do to help players.
You're absolutely right that a coach is not obligated to help kids get scholly's but what coach who has the best interest of his kids and his program in mind wouldn't be wise to help?
Players moving on to next level bring prestige to the program and the school just as they do with academic achievements/scholarships.
I realize most coaches have classes/families that must come first but anyone can find a slot of time here and there to help a kid who plays hard and has some talent-those kids are largely responsible for the coach keeping his coaching job at schools where winning is important.
COACHB25 it sounds like you do a good job helping your kids, many coaches do nothing to promote their players based on what I've heard. Luckily, I've also heard of some that go out of their way to work for their players and help them.
You're absolutely right that a coach is not obligated to help kids get scholly's but what coach who has the best interest of his kids and his program in mind wouldn't be wise to help?
Players moving on to next level bring prestige to the program and the school just as they do with academic achievements/scholarships.
I realize most coaches have classes/families that must come first but anyone can find a slot of time here and there to help a kid who plays hard and has some talent-those kids are largely responsible for the coach keeping his coaching job at schools where winning is important.
COACHB25 it sounds like you do a good job helping your kids, many coaches do nothing to promote their players based on what I've heard. Luckily, I've also heard of some that go out of their way to work for their players and help them.
Dennisr400, I understand that. I guess the grading scale seems somewhat unfair given so many intangibles. Then again, perhaps I read it wrong and if so, I apologize. I have had years where it seems that a coach just can't win. At least like I couldn't win. Get 3 kids a partial and 3 other parents are upset. Get a kid a JUCO and the parents wanted D-2. On and on and on. Some coaches that might be given a grade of "F" might really be working hard. There are times when I just can't tell what a college wants. Any College. I had a kid once that was a "stud" in my opinion. NOBODY WOULD COME TO SEE HIM. I went down to talk to a coach in the southern part of the state and no interest. Eventually, this kid played at a JUCO but it was a last minute replacement for a ton of other kids that they didn't sign. That kid went from that JUCO to be an All-American at Memphis State and now plays in the majors. If you would have asked a grade on my efforts when he went to a JUCO I would have been given an "F." I guess what I am saying is that sometime is isn't what it appears to be when a coach can't get his players looked at. That is all that I am saying.
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
Coach B...I like your system, it is certainly more than a lot of coaches do. With that being said, I believe the coaches should do more than just send an e-mail out or make a phone call. What about having a team website, whether part of the school site or separate? This way, you can promote the site to the schools, then they can log on at their leisure to check schedules, player profiles, and game stories. I don't think stats are good to put on the site cause we don't want kids getting hung up with their numbers. How about doing some sort of media guide or program? Turn it into an ad book and generate some funds for the program. Pass it out to all colleges. Here is one problem I do have with your system...and hopefully you could clear it up...say a kid puts in his folder that he wants to play at Florida State. If the kid is not at that level, do you tell him ahead of time? Do you break the bad news to him that he is not good enough? Or do you go ahead and email the coach anyway?...knowing your rep would be on the line if the kid is not worth their time. Not saying that your system is not good, just want a bit of a clarification. Some kids know their talent level, others are dreamers.
Allow me to clarify the intent of this thread. First a quick story. While @ the Florida State Camp last July, I sat with 3 Dads. 2 from Cal. and 1 from Fla. All 3 of their sons were All-Staters. One Cal. guy says that his sons coach told him "If I did that for your kid, I'd have to do it for all of them". The Fla. guy said yeah! "thats exactly the attitude our coach has". The other Cal. guy said "They are all the same". When I told them my son was only a rising junior and that Chris Ledbetter had already talked with several schools they about fell off their stadium seats. Since then I invariably ask other parents about their individual experiences. The result that I most often hear is that they are afraid to ask or that it never occured to them they should pursue it with the coach. Bottom line there is a lot of work to be done by Parents and Coaches. I give CoachB25 an A- only because a recruiter is always available if the prospect is the right kid. Phone calls made to the recruiting coach must be followed up with a solid Bio and phone calls to the recruiter.A Campus visit would be next so that the coach can speak to exactly what may or may not be available.I was also interested in finding out through this thread how many coaches were like the cal. coach and how many parents are too passive to pursue the issue. Finally I'm not at all interested in what happens with kids or parents that don't have the proper perspective about where they fit in.
A college coach approached me at a PG fall event and wondered why we hadn't sent in the questionaire he had sent our high school and addressed to my son. I told him we filled out all the questionaires we had received. On October 16 our high school coach handed my son 7 letters which were post-dated from June 26 thru Sept 15 from all levels. No help here.
Coach B, excellent points! Lets see, I thought I knew it all when I was in high school, now two years removed I know now that I knew nothing back then. I thought I was D1 material, but now I realize that I am lucky to be able to play at this Ivy league level. It seems like everyone on this website is being SCREWED by their high school coach. Last time I checked the role of the high school coach was to help boys turn into men, not to get them to pro ball or a D1 scholarship.
If you have talent, then they will find you! Plain and simple, this is a pathetic thread!
If you have talent, then they will find you! Plain and simple, this is a pathetic thread!
Interesting perspective, Reece.
I don't believe, however, that "they" (major D1 programs or pro scouts) will find you without some help from someone.
I don't believe that the kids that go to Ivy League baseball programs are necessarily interested in professional baseball out of high school. They need time to mature, mentally and physically, and if it happens after their junior year or later, then it's fine.
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Where do you play? My son will be a freshman at Princeton in the fall.
I don't believe, however, that "they" (major D1 programs or pro scouts) will find you without some help from someone.
I don't believe that the kids that go to Ivy League baseball programs are necessarily interested in professional baseball out of high school. They need time to mature, mentally and physically, and if it happens after their junior year or later, then it's fine.
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Where do you play? My son will be a freshman at Princeton in the fall.
I'm at Harvard and my brother is at Brown.
Great...Are you guys still going to be there (Harvard and Brown) in the spring of 2005?
billysi, that is the single saddest report i've seen on this board. what school does your son play for?
billysi...You should go directly to the principal with that information.
Not the coach and not the AD...Directly to the principal. If the coach doesn't get admonished/reprimanded for doing that, then I would place my name on the School Board meeting list and speak directly to them.
Sounds like one of those stories you hear about the post office--delivering mail 40 years later! Except that this "oversight" might cost your family some money and your son a scholarship!
Not the coach and not the AD...Directly to the principal. If the coach doesn't get admonished/reprimanded for doing that, then I would place my name on the School Board meeting list and speak directly to them.
Sounds like one of those stories you hear about the post office--delivering mail 40 years later! Except that this "oversight" might cost your family some money and your son a scholarship!
pitchdoc24, I agree with the website. Ours:
http://www.triad.madison.k12.il.us/ths/sports/baseball/index.htm
When we send up the follow up emails to college coaches, we ask them to bookmark our team on Statsonline which is run by the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Then we encourage college coaches to check out our players throughout the year. My shortstop is pretty good and several college teams are already planning to following him through the web-site. The only negative now for us is that control over my web-site has been taken away from me and everything that is added or changed has to go through central office personel.
As far as driving my players to colleges recruiting them, I did so 2 weeks ago for 2 of my players and I am certain they are getting some college help to play ball. However, one other factor that is missing in this is that my top responsiblity is to produce good citizens and not just ballplayers. Also, if most of my efforts aren't going into winning, I will be replaced. It is that simple. It sounds so simple to say that I should do this or that but doing it is a lot harder when you factor in family (My girl plays 4 sports), weight training, plyometrics at 6:30 in the morning 2 days a week, a throwing program one morning a week, and then also consider that I am paid to teach first and coach second. I have to attend college to get my CPU's and go to workshops to get my CPDU'S or I will lose my certificate. I know, now it seems like I am making excuses.
Soxnole, great thread!!!
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
http://www.triad.madison.k12.il.us/ths/sports/baseball/index.htm
When we send up the follow up emails to college coaches, we ask them to bookmark our team on Statsonline which is run by the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Then we encourage college coaches to check out our players throughout the year. My shortstop is pretty good and several college teams are already planning to following him through the web-site. The only negative now for us is that control over my web-site has been taken away from me and everything that is added or changed has to go through central office personel.
As far as driving my players to colleges recruiting them, I did so 2 weeks ago for 2 of my players and I am certain they are getting some college help to play ball. However, one other factor that is missing in this is that my top responsiblity is to produce good citizens and not just ballplayers. Also, if most of my efforts aren't going into winning, I will be replaced. It is that simple. It sounds so simple to say that I should do this or that but doing it is a lot harder when you factor in family (My girl plays 4 sports), weight training, plyometrics at 6:30 in the morning 2 days a week, a throwing program one morning a week, and then also consider that I am paid to teach first and coach second. I have to attend college to get my CPU's and go to workshops to get my CPDU'S or I will lose my certificate. I know, now it seems like I am making excuses.
Soxnole, great thread!!!
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
coachb25, I have found that the more I reach out and help kids, the harder they work for me. I find it easier to teach life lessons and baseball lessons to kids who fully committ to what we are doing. I make the kids fill out the questions sheet and return it to me within three days. I also require them to fill out the forms from the D3 schools that they get even if they are a D1 prospect. I know it is a lot of work for them, but I want them to feel it is an honor to get a letter and that they should show the school who sent it the same respect and fill it out. I make all the kids bring the question form back to me so I know that it gets sent. It adds a ton of time to my schedule, but I have very few problems getting the kids to off season workouts and to give me the best effort they can. I can't agree with you more about giving accurate information. I explain to parent's that I have to remain credible to these coaches for the next generation of ball players that come to our school. good luck this season.
billysi....trust me, you are not alone. i have seen this situation before and it sucks. i am not going to name names of coaches, but i know first hand that this stuff happens elsewhere. makes me wonder if some coaches are really out to help their kids. maybe some coaches just dont spend too much time at school, in the off months. who knows. i am not a head coach, but if i was, something like that would not happen. how hard is it to give a kid a letter? if it is over the summer, mail it to him, fax it, do something.
pitchdoc24, The kids have to take some responsibilty in the process. During the offseason we have a weight program that all the kids are expected to participate in. If a kid has school work then he is excused from training. however, we stress to the kids that they must come see us if they are not going to be there after school because I might have mail for them or may need to fill them in on a phone conversation I had. The kids that are in a winter sport are encouraged to check in with me to make sure that a line of communication is present. I don't understand how a player can go weeks without seeing his coach? If he see's him, then he needs to ask questions about the process if the coach is involved. It only works if the player shows the same type of determination.
lest I say something I shouldn't...let me just say that we were amazed of the lack of support in this area...
as I've said somewhere on here before ...our AD hasn't even acknowledged son's NLI or spoken to him since he did not play football...
and our baseball coach who is a nice man...well...
all I can say is...thank goodness for options that came our way away from the high school field...
wish it had been better...not the happiest way to go...
as I've said somewhere on here before ...our AD hasn't even acknowledged son's NLI or spoken to him since he did not play football...
and our baseball coach who is a nice man...well...
all I can say is...thank goodness for options that came our way away from the high school field...
wish it had been better...not the happiest way to go...
Pitchdoc24, I'm sorry that I didn't respond earlier to portions of your previous post. Book, program, etc. - Many schools are in our situation. We are a small school (1,200) comprised of 3 small communities. We don't have much industry, business etc. The limited ones that we do have give to our one all sports inclusive Booster Club. Any Program proceeds go straight to the "Varsity Club." We are in such a financial crunch that we stand a great chance of losing coaches and possibly a team this coming year. Great ideas if we could do them!
You asked about a player wanting to play at a level he probablly can't and mentioned Florida State. I am brutally honest about everything. The kids accept that and know that I won't miss lead them. However, having said that, I will not step on their dreams. Each case is an individual one. One of my kids this year wants to play D-1 ball and has some interest. I have told him that most D-1 programs have already signed the ones that they want the most and have discussed the pros and cons of continuing to pursue a D-1 scholarship.
I want to briefly mention this, I am new to the site and don't know who are high school coaches and who are not. I don't mean to step on toes on threads such as this. I know that sometimes I have a bad habit of sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong.
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
You asked about a player wanting to play at a level he probablly can't and mentioned Florida State. I am brutally honest about everything. The kids accept that and know that I won't miss lead them. However, having said that, I will not step on their dreams. Each case is an individual one. One of my kids this year wants to play D-1 ball and has some interest. I have told him that most D-1 programs have already signed the ones that they want the most and have discussed the pros and cons of continuing to pursue a D-1 scholarship.
I want to briefly mention this, I am new to the site and don't know who are high school coaches and who are not. I don't mean to step on toes on threads such as this. I know that sometimes I have a bad habit of sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong.
"There comes a time when you have to stop dreaming of the man you want to be and start being the man you have become." Bruce Springsteen
CoachB...You are not stepping on toes. I think there ae others on this site that would agree with me in saying that more coaches should be doing what you are doing for your kids. I realize that smaller schools have a difficult time raising money. It sounds like you are doing the best you can do given the situation.
Ballfan...I agree. If a kid does not put forth any effort, why would the coach put forth the effort to help the kid? Now, that being said, if the kids are coming around to workout or are around the school, why can't the coach be there too? If the kids come around and the coach is not there, how can they even ask for letters? In all, as a coach, if a kid is not committed to the program and making himself and his team better, why would I want to go the extra mile for him? The kid that busts his hump and wants to be better, wants to continue his career...hell yeah I will do what I can for him.
Ballfan...I agree. If a kid does not put forth any effort, why would the coach put forth the effort to help the kid? Now, that being said, if the kids are coming around to workout or are around the school, why can't the coach be there too? If the kids come around and the coach is not there, how can they even ask for letters? In all, as a coach, if a kid is not committed to the program and making himself and his team better, why would I want to go the extra mile for him? The kid that busts his hump and wants to be better, wants to continue his career...hell yeah I will do what I can for him.
soxnole-We still have to go through our senior season of SUMMER ball so don't think it would be wise to mention names yet.
beenthere- I did go to the high school principal with some other irregularities that happened last year and he blew it off.
Congrats to you and Ryan by the way.
beenthere- I did go to the high school principal with some other irregularities that happened last year and he blew it off.
Congrats to you and Ryan by the way.
Before I answer , I have one question : Since most of the kids on this thread play for travel teams , How many of your travel coaches push their players ? Or how many just care about wins? My son's H.S. coach ( Hogan - Glenbard East ) has done pretty much what I expected so I have no complaints about him . What I do see however is travel teams that only care about wins and nothing else . That is a shame because in all honesty you should play in more games with your travel team than with your varsity team . So before you go bashing your H.S. coaches remember that they are teachers foremost no matter what you think . Next time you go to a travel team tournament see which teams give scouts their rosters , since you ( the parent ) are laying out good money for travel ball , what are your expectations? Do you just care about wins or do you want your son to seen and introduced and indocrinated into the recruiting process .
jmj...I can only speak for myself for the one summer that I coached the Upper Deck Cougars 16 year old team that competed in 3 tournaments.
Easy to coach kids that can play.
I can tell you that I've made calls, written emails and sent info about virtually all of the players that I coached.
I think everyone is committed except for Jake Trader of Joliet Catholic Academy and Landon Gray, a righthanded pitcher from near Marietta, Georgia...Jake was a member of the JCA State championship football team; is now in the state wrestling tournament; and, will likely be the starting catcher or dh for the varsity baseball team. If I'm ever in a dark alley with some problem "dudes" or guys that have "bandanas" or "tilted hats" on their head, Jake is the guy you want with you. Not sure how much interest in baseball he'll have because he has several sports options!
Landon got some exposure with us since we picked him up to pitch for us in the CABA World Series. Pitched about 10-11 innings over 4 days with 3-4 hits and 0 walks and about 10-11 strikeouts. No one wanted to hit against him because his ball never went straight. Dad where are you?
My one hour "speech" upon meeting the entire team in Arizona before our first game has been likened to the Gettysburg Address. (lol) Actually, old Abe, would have been proud.
I did what I could for the kids and it has worked out for all of them.
Easy to coach kids that can play.
I can tell you that I've made calls, written emails and sent info about virtually all of the players that I coached.
I think everyone is committed except for Jake Trader of Joliet Catholic Academy and Landon Gray, a righthanded pitcher from near Marietta, Georgia...Jake was a member of the JCA State championship football team; is now in the state wrestling tournament; and, will likely be the starting catcher or dh for the varsity baseball team. If I'm ever in a dark alley with some problem "dudes" or guys that have "bandanas" or "tilted hats" on their head, Jake is the guy you want with you. Not sure how much interest in baseball he'll have because he has several sports options!
Landon got some exposure with us since we picked him up to pitch for us in the CABA World Series. Pitched about 10-11 innings over 4 days with 3-4 hits and 0 walks and about 10-11 strikeouts. No one wanted to hit against him because his ball never went straight. Dad where are you?
My one hour "speech" upon meeting the entire team in Arizona before our first game has been likened to the Gettysburg Address. (lol) Actually, old Abe, would have been proud.
I did what I could for the kids and it has worked out for all of them.
jmjvj 
these two hands are for you!
these two hands are for you!
jmjvj, exactly what travel teams have you feeling this way. the best teams out there are certainly about winning, but they are also about exposure for their players. big name alum allow.... team fla. usa, baseball america, perfect game, dallas tigers, chet lemons juice and any travel program to recruit the best players out there. one hand washes the other. teams with good players win. lockport, oprf, andrew, lt arent only about winning. they are about all the things that make boys into men, leaders and good citizens.to me, winning, maturity and exposure are all advanced through HS and travel programs. my experience with travel mirrors btil's only i can honestly say that almost every travel coach that my 4 boys have had worked hard for the boys at every turn. i'm left to wonder just how many travel teams/coaches you are talking about. care to elaborate?
Been ,
You are so right about coaching good players . To soxnole - I just see what I see after coaching travel ball for the past 8 years , I do not see teams handing out rosters or taking the time and effort to promote their players . Yes there are alot of fine programs that promote their kids and I am very fortunate to be a part of one . But overall the majority of teams have there eyes set on the hardware they can pick up .
You are so right about coaching good players . To soxnole - I just see what I see after coaching travel ball for the past 8 years , I do not see teams handing out rosters or taking the time and effort to promote their players . Yes there are alot of fine programs that promote their kids and I am very fortunate to be a part of one . But overall the majority of teams have there eyes set on the hardware they can pick up .
so far we have some unnamed stinkers but with all the activity on this thread where are the do nothing coaches? who are the good guys?. the way to improve this situation is to name programs that promote their players and name the ones that are at fault. also for those who keep bringing up charachter and citizenship, its my opinion that the same programs (OPRF,Driscoll,Leyden,Providence)that excel at charachter and citizenship also excel at exposure and promoting their players.
Chris Ledbetter of Oak Park goes above and beyond the call of duty for his players. He was extremely helpful in my search for colleges.
I agree with Goliath. Leddy definitely goes to bat for his kids - not by over-hyping them to colleges, but by actually finding the right place for his players to contribute and enjoy baseball. He's still a relatively young coach, and is just getting accustomed to the recruiting process, but as he gains experience and develops even more connnections with college coaches, his players will continue to benefit from his hard work.
sox...I can't imagine a kid coming onto this site and blasting a coach for not doing anything with him and the/his recruiting.
Coaches can be very vindictive, even if they are wrong.
Coaches can be very vindictive, even if they are wrong.
BTIL, I was hoping for some program info as opposed to coaches. definetely don't want any kids putting themselves in jeopardy. this is really a parent thread from that standpoint. also any positive trend may wake up some coaches that could do more for their players.
Coach Dave Snider at Stagg is actively involved in getting the attention of schools for my son. I give him an A+....
Thanks, Coach Snider, and thats a BIG job with all the talent at Andrew!
Snider is at Stagg!
Sorry, your right with Andrew, but Sandburg, and Lockport.
Coach Voss-Joliet Catholic
Coach Voss gets an A+ for what he does for his players...enough said.
Coach Voss gets an A+ for what he does for his players...enough said.
Ushela at LT gets an F. The guy won't fill out forms because he a) doesnt have the time and b) he makes up his own ratings at the end of the year even rating the player on whether HE thinks they should go D1,D2, or D3.
We won State last year and why do you think out of that whole team that only 1 player went D1? Players from that team have even told me that Ushela had letters sitting on his desk the whole year.
We won State last year and why do you think out of that whole team that only 1 player went D1? Players from that team have even told me that Ushela had letters sitting on his desk the whole year.
Our coach of the year gets a grade F-
No communacation with player's, kid's quiting, bringing up freshman to take the place of kid's who were there the whole year. Played a hurt Brewer against HS in a rainy day after he had been hurt,no reason for it! Dan is now out until July , Just plain joke 95% of the team does not respect him at all!
No communacation with player's, kid's quiting, bringing up freshman to take the place of kid's who were there the whole year. Played a hurt Brewer against HS in a rainy day after he had been hurt,no reason for it! Dan is now out until July , Just plain joke 95% of the team does not respect him at all!
What did you expect, how about his tryouts.