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I know this isn't really an umpiring area, but it would be useful for me to know the rules about this because the rule text isn't a model of clarity, so I'm asking you as rules experts more than as field umpires.

The problem is that the tally counters are cheap ****, and it is easy to lose the pitch count and go over even if acting responsibly.

In my kid's little league, this is alleviated a bit because both teams count all the pitches and confirm with each other at the end of the inning and announce when the max is reached, so nobody goes over the max. If the counts are off, they work it out.

But that's not universally true, in his travel league each team is solely responsible for its own count on the honor system.

What is the correct action if it turns out a pitcher has gone over the max?

Do we void whatever happened after the max? Or does it stand until both noticed/protested? Is it like batting out of order, something that the opponent can put into its pocket and use at will depending on how the pitcher is doing, or must the opponent be on its honor to be proactive and stop the game, b/c it is about injuries, after all?

How much of this stuff is for the umpire to resolve on the spot, and how much is for the league?

I will tell you the better umpires in the little league are proactive about making sure everyone has the same pitch count and that no mistakes are made, and the umpires in the travel league are totally indifferent to all of it.

If I was in charge, I'd make it the joint responsibility of the teams to know and alert each other of the pitch count, and there would be the same penalties for both sides if there is a mistake.

Yes, you want to win, but not at the expense of risking injuries.

Thanks.
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Im sorry, I know I do not speak for every umpire here, but I do not do any level of baseball where there are "pitch counts"...

The levels of youth ball I do only have "innings pitched" restrictions ....

I know Michael S Taylor supervises and trains some LL umpires so possibly he will be able to help you in what LL does as to pitch counts.
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I think this all relates to Little League. I am not aware of any travel or tournament organization that enforces a pitch count rule. As piaa stated, those organizations are governed by inning rules.

Maybe that is why in your travel league the umpires seem indifferent. There are no rules concerning pitch count.
It may be that my kid's league is an exception, which is why the umpires are hands off on the subject.

I saw PONY had an innings rule.

The National Junior Baseball League is concentrated in the NYC suburbs, and in my 8U son's bracket, there is 65 pitch limit but no inning limit, which allowed him to throw a 4 inning complete game (mercy rule) over the weekend with a couple of pitches to spare. This is coupled with a mandatory days off rule.

It is not unusual in his league for a pitcher to last into the fourth inning, or for two pitchers to pretty much split a 7 inning game, largely because the strike zone is expaded from "nose to toes" and there aren't too many walks anyway.

His Williamsport LL has several overlapping rules -- max 50 pitches to competion of hitter, supplemented with a minimum days of rest depending on the count and a games of rest rule, also depending on the count. The local league also enforces a two inning max.

Less than 20 pitches allows a next day return, 21-35 requires one day off, 36-50 requires two days, and over 50 is three days, though I think a league can opt to have higher counts but mandates that pitchers are completely unavailable for the next game, whenever it occurs, after some threshold.

You can see how mistakes could become punitive and why some managers will seek to take advantage of an error.
LL is very specific about their pitch count rules. Sounds like you and the umpires have that down. Also sounds like you are talking about an independent league up there in NY. If that is the case, you should take a look at that league's rules. If they outline a pitch count rule, I would think they would outline in the rules how that limit is to be enforced and what role the umpires play in that enforcement. Take a look at the rule book and see what it says. If it is not specific, take it up with the league board, or who ever is in charge.

When you brought up travel, I'm thinking more along the lines of tournament travel ball. Organizations such as USSSA, Triple Crown, AAU, Grand Slam, CABA, etc... that put on tournaments have not adopted a pitch count rule as of yet. All these limit the number of innings pitched.

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