Rumored Cory Patterson Trade

It has also been confirmed that the rumor may be that Todd Walker may be the player the Sox want.

Uhhhh...did I miss something?

Patterson was traded to the Orioles already so unless they are trying to get him from the O's this rumor is bunk...

Patterson to O's

Looks like a win-win situation for the Pattersons and for Walker.

Going from a loser to a winner!!!!

Go White Sox in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

p.s. Actually, I'm not "gushing" about McCarthy as much as Hawk was all of spring training last year. Figure he's a late bloomer because he only has two pitches...and until he learns how to pitch, it should take him 2-3 years.

FastBall,

I wouldn't worry about Eric Patterson and his being upset because his brother was traded. Cory was handsomely paid and very well treated by the Cubs from the time he was drafted. A .215 BA in 2005 speaks for itself. IMO, barring being part of a multi-player deal, Eric P. isn't going anywhere.

Maybe the Todd Walker part of the trade rumor is the true one.

That is very possible. He's not signed for a lot of dough, and he will hit wherever he lands. I prefer keeping him and letting him start at second, with N. Perez as a utility guy, and let Cedeno have a go as the starting shortstop.

cub fans....now grasping at straws in thier worst nightmare.

wishing and hoping will NOT get you McCarthy.

Brian Anderson is the real deal...not like the strike out king midget that the cubs and now Orioles have to deal with!

I'm with Beenthere on this one. Like Rosy I want Walker at 2b for the Cubs, and McCarthy has a lot to prove so let's just hope he stays a Sox and is aprt of that 6 man 20 game winner staff.

Cedeno at SS and Walker at 2b is at least as good as Uribe (one year wonder) and the very average Iguchi. Take a fair look at it position by position and you have to say the Cub's starting 8 is at least as good as the Sox. Even smart baseball guys like soxnole and beenthere have to concede that.

Fastball, why compare the Cubs players to the Sox? The Sox are World Champs. The Sox worry about the Yankees, St. Louis, and California. The Sox don't worry about below average 3rd or fourth place teams. World champions....sounds good.

bballdad, perhaps you are correct about the sox themselves, but you sox fans continue to obsess about the Cubs because you know in your heart of hearts that Chicago was, is and always will be a Cubs town.

Holden...

You and fastballdad have been talking "way too much".....

I know you're "wishing" well for the Cubbies in 2006, but the fact remains that they have no chance.

Build some more seating on top of buildings across the street from the park. Will deflect the discussion from the quality of the product on the field. Now if you can only get a few more pieces of concrete to fall from the upperdeck overhang, you'd be "in like Flynn"! Some more "fluff" to talk about instead of the real "stuff" on the field!!!!!

That should "help" the team--NOT!

Go White Sox in 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just deleted my previous post. As I re-read it I saw that it violated a New Year's promise that I made to myself. I will try to refrain from any negative comments towards other websters.

However, you Sox fans are making it very difficult to lay low. LOL.

Rosy....All things are a "go" as between Cub fans and Sox fans.

No one takes anything personally. Nothing is meant personally. We are fans for gosh sakes.

If the Cubbies win the pennant in 2006, I will say "I told you so"....I'm as good as anyone on "bandwagonjumping"!

Post and let us react/respond.

Will you be around for the 18th of February at the Rosemont webster get together? Have some time (couple of hours)?

Very good beenthere.....I agree 100%. I have not said anything bad about the Sox......comparing them to the Cubs is a compliment!

Been,

My son and I will be there on Feb 18 to finally meet the men and women behind the names. Looking forward to it. We hope to leave with good baseball vibes as we fly to Birmingham the next day for a Monday checkup with Dr. Andrews.

Beenthere. I agree completely with your assessment of the Cubs for '06. However, that does not belie my statement regarding sox fans' enduring jealousy. In fact, I think it confirms it!

The ridiculous myth that this has always been a cubs town is currently going down in flames. 2006 will see an even bigger shift in loyalty.

When I grew up (50's and 60's) Wrigley was a ghost town and Comiskey thrived.

When I returned in the mid 70's very little had changed...10,000 was a good weekday crowd at the world's largest *** (not hetrosexual) bar!

So tell it like it is cubbie dudes, the late 80's and the next 14 years saw a shift to the cubs which is under going a reversal as we post!

Here's to 2006 being a repeat of 1906. Give the cubs another NL bone.

Soxnole, that's very generous of you. I'd say the shift from neutral to being a Cubs town started in the mid 80's with the Ryno-led 84 Cubs.

Stop it with the *** stuff. If that was all that prominent, you wouldn't see the big crowds there. Besides, it is the White Sox player that has the rumors swirling around him.

We'll see when Cub tickets go on sale just how much things have changed. A short time ago (a few weeks, maybe still) , I would have had no problem buying Sox season tickets......I don't think that is the case on the North Side.

It's harder to stay on top than it is to get there.....if the Sox win in '06 I will believe.

Soxnole, I guess you weren't around for the crowds numbering in the hundreds (yes, hundreds) in the early 70s? Things picked up a bit for the Hitmen in '77, but as baseball itself made a comeback nationwide, the Cubs benefited far more than the Sox. The change you describe is happening only in your dreams. The sox may spike attendance because they are the "in" thing right now, but it won't be at the expense of the cubs. And once the sox revert to form, their attendance will go right back down and the cubs will still be drawing over 3 mil.

I wonder how attendence would be on the North Side if the 1)Cubs didn't play at Wrigley, 2)they weren't televised on WGN and 3)Harry Carey stayed on the South Side?

FBDad...your in denial...besides I didn't say there is anything wrong with that!

Your teams neighborhood is what it is. Deal with it!

Gamer,

1) They do.

2) They are.

3) He didn't.

Soxnole,

It continues to seem that you're the one who has trouble dealing with where the Cubs play. I'd say to you, "You deal with it".

I love taking the "L" to Wrigley with my son and hope that we can do that for the rest of my life. The ballpark, the neighborhood and the street vendors all contribute to an American experience that is disappearing all to quickly. Great restaurants, bars and people watching.

Soxnole is Reinsdorf and Holden is the Tribune Company. Otherwise, why would anyone care about attendance? The Sox won the World Series, The Cubs have the longest streak of futility in professional sports. End of story.

itsrosy, funny you should mentioned the "Wrigley Experience". I went to a Sox game last summer with a few co-workers whom happened to be Cub fans. They too were quite pleased with the experience they had at USCell.
First they were surprised at the wonderful parking right at the facility (Parking - what a novel idea). The food and drinks at the ballpark were so good that there wasn't a need to go to a restuarant afterwards.
However, I must admit my co-workers (Cub Fans)were a little suprised at my concept of actually "watching the game". For a while I think they thought I was mad or upset and ignoring them but finally they too start to enjoy the game on the field.

What a great experince! Watching "America's Past-Time" that is!

Gamer, And to think, if you went during the first three quarters of the season you didn't even have to worry about other fans taking your parking spot or interrupting you enjoyment of the game!

Sox have always had better food.

rosy...in your dreams...what "L" travels from Highland Park to Castroviile east?

Soxnole,

If you knew anything about the Northside you'd know how to commute. From where I live, I drive to the Linden St. L station in Evanston. Take the Evanston Express and transfer at Howard St. Take the A or B to Addison. Heaven on Earth! Hang a right and find the man on the corner of Addison and Sheffield selling the BIG bags of salted peanuts. Hmmm. Do you think I'd even consider taking public transportation to the Cell from where I live? Parking lots, who needs 'em? In addition, many in the North or Northwest burbs drive to the Skokie Swift and transfer at Howard St. and then on to Addison. Either way works without any hassles.

Just because something is available (Tickets and parking at the Cell) doesn't make it good. In fact, it is more likely to be the other way....for all of you leftest, liberal Sox fans, that's called supply and demand...the truest market in the world.

I go to The Cell about 3 times a year and it is nice. But I agree with Rosy...the whole Wrigley experience is superior to the mall-like Cell.

Gamer...there is no difference in the appreciation of the game from North to South. For every fan at Wrigley that is just making the scene, there is a Sox fan at the Cell who has nothing else on his mind other than to say "Cubs S**k" even though the Cubs are playing 2000 miles away.

Was curious about attendance in recent history. Soxnole was right, Sox dominated from 51-67. Then about even from 68-84. Since 84 Cubs lead by a mile - Sox led a couple years in there with novelty of new park.
Was surprised to see that you have to go back to 97 to find a year when the Cubs didn't average at least 10,000 more than the Sox per game. If you back out half-price Mondays & ladies night and doggie night the difference is far more staggering. The fireworks are a huge draw and having players call fans personally in the offseason to come out to the park helps as well (true, they really did it).
It will take many years of Sox winning & Cubs losing to reverse trend from a pure # of fans standpoint & then you've got the obvious differences in the parks & their surroundings to deal with. Decades before it changes again.
Sox better get out of the gate quickly. After winning it in 83 they gained 52 per game the next year. After 93 title they gained 161 per date and after 2000 title they dropped 2,242 per game.
I'll give Sox fans credit for last year though - they were smart enough to stay away in droves as the aberration progressed - then wisely showed up for the playoffs when it was the place to be and be seen.

Patterson still may have a very successful big league career. He can run and has power. He'll probably figure it out in Baltimore, and that's after the Cubs gave him every opportunity. A trade and change of location had to happen.

rosy...so you "park" after all!...hard to do without a parking lot...maybe you big bux boy's from the north shore even valet at the "L" station!

15 miles from the park...I guess proximity isn't everything...

At least you avoid Alderman Tunney's neighborhood.

and....exactly WHY would you not take the "L" to Sox park? My kids do it all the time from River Forest...be careful now...

Did they ever remove the seats with the bullett holes from the top rows of the Cell?

It's nice to know JD is a baseball fan.

Holden...........Lets set the record straight.

The only murder at a Chicago baseball venue happened on Wrigley field property.

Shame on me once again. Why, oh why, do I even try to have a conversation with Soxnole? It is just futile. Valets at the "L", now that's funny!

Maybe there was a murder next to Wrigley field but for most of the last 100 years baseball has been murder at Comiskey and the Cell

The only murders committed other than the aforementioned were whenever the Sox murdered the cubs in a city or World Series!

rosy...gotcha!.heh heh heh.