R1 on third, R2 on first. With one out F9 makes a diving catch which no one thought he would catch. He immediately throws home but R1 scores before ball arrives. R2 did not tag and the catcher immediately throws to first for the third out. I said run scored but plate ump said no due to force play. Which one of us was correct and is that in fact a force play. Rule 9-1-c is how I look at it.
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Force play? He really said force play?
Thirty lashes and remedial umpire school for him.
A runner can never be forced back to a base -- he can only be forced when advancing. And, a runner cannot be forced once a runner behind him is put out.
So, R1 was not forced in your play.
And, "tagging the base" and "force play" are not synonyms.
You had an appeal out, time play. Since the run scored before the out was made, the run counts.
There is 1 out.......as a result of the play, the Batter is out on the catch for out 2.....Runner on 3rd scores on a classic time play........runner previously on first is out on "the appeal" for not tagging up.......3 outs.....
(When an appeal is made that a runner did not tag up after a fly ball is caught, it is never a force play.)
Rules 4.09 and 2.00 in OBR cover rules on Force plays.
Rule 9.01C is NOT applicable to this play. 9.01C is applicable to situations that the rule book does NOT cover. The Rule book is oddly written and poorly compiled, it is very complete.
Rule 9.01C is often called the "Crutch of Bad Umpires".....there are rules to cover most all situations.
Rule 9.01C - an example of when properly used was when Randy Johnson threw a fastball that killed a bird.
What Rob T and Noumpere said.
The difference is being required to return instead of being forced to advance.
piaa_ump posted:Rule 9.01C - an example of when properly used was when Randy Johnson threw a fastball that killed a bird.
I was thinking about this this weekend...I don't even think that 9.01c was applicable there, either. Animals are interpreted as spectators, and on spectator interference, we have the God clause.
