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Runner brain cramp, call correct?

T total109610+ posts
I ask this question for my own educational purpose. 18u game last night. Runner on 1st with 1 out. Batter hits grounder to SS. Runner on 1st is napping and doesn't start running until the ball has reached the SS. By the time the throw to 2nd forces him out he is only about 1/3 of the way to 2nd. He stops and turns around and the throw from tne 2nd baseman hits him in the back. The call was both the the runner and batter runner are out. The runner did not make an atempt to get into the path of the ball and he was still in the base path he had created. Your thoughts?
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
Interference with a thrown ball, unlike a batted ball, needs to be intentional. The direction the runner was facing may be taken into account, but it isn't the sole deciding factor, neither is the distance the runner is from the fielder who is throwing. Being or not being in the basepath is irrelevant to the rule.

I'd have to see the play.
TX-Ump74TX-Ump74100+ posts
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Originally posted by total1096:
I ask this question for my own educational purpose. 18u game last night. Runner on 1st with 1 out. Batter hits grounder to SS. Runner on 1st is napping and doesn't start running until the ball has reached the SS. By the time the throw to 2nd forces him out he is only about 1/3 of the way to 2nd. He stops and turns around and the throw from tne 2nd baseman hits him in the back. The call was both the the runner and batter runner are out. The runner did not make an atempt to get into the path of the ball and he was still in the base path he had created. Your thoughts?


What rules? NCAA/FED/ORB or a host of others? This is you have to be there call but I might get two...

Jimmy03/MTaylor/PIAA (Fed Rules) same situation but the R1 does not turn around and runs toward 2nd and is within 10 feet of 2nd when the SS nails him with the ball trying to turn the DP. Nothing malicious about the throw and R1 did not interfere with the actual mechanics of the SS on the throw so you can't get him on interfering with the actual throw... what do you have? FPSL? Nothing?
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
I believe there is a FED situation similar to this play, or it is discussed in the BRD.

FED argues that as long as the fielder is throwing to the base/baseman and not throwing off line to hit the runner, it is interference. Their line of thought is that if the runner does not allow a clear throw, that's intent.

FED: Less than two outs, get two outs.
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
This is what I meant about the closer you get the more chance of interference, I was remembering the same case play. I am still taking into account how the play developes, but how the fielder turning the ball gets it and where he is has to play into it. If the play takes him past the base to throw then the runner staying in the baseline has nothing to do with the play and he can't just try to hit him to draw a call.

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