Runner called out for missing base

This is one of those rules that seems to change every year, but according to the rule this year the fielded does not even have to appeal. If the umpire sees that he missed the base then he is out. A couple of years ago you had to go over and touch the base, but at our meeting this year they told us that was not the case.

No, the run should not count.

This is just my two cents, not saying it is the right two cents.

TXBBall14... What rule book?? Is this HS?

Fed rules you have to appeal... (Live or dead ball)... Live ball appeal the bag or runner must be tagged. In a dead ball appeal you just have to ask the umpire, no action is required by the defense other than to ask once time is called.

Run would count. Since it's not on a forced bag, it becomes a timing play. Appeal and out was called after run scores. Run counts.

The "if the umpire sees it then he's out" rule has been gone for quite a while.

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Posted May 03, 2010 01:25 PM
Runner on first, two outs.
Batter triples into RF Gap.
Runner scores from first.
Ball is thrown from RF to third base.
Third baseman immediately runs to second base, appeals that batter missed second.
Batter is called out.

Umpire ruled the batter out for missing second, and did not allow the run to score.

Ran this by our umpire association (TASO) and they said the ruling was correct. He did say that my "if the umpire sees it he's out rule" is the old rule and that the team simply needs to notify the umpire and touch the bag. He said the run would have only counted had the "appeal base" been third.

Just passing the word along.

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Ran this by our umpire association (TASO) and they said the ruling was correct.[/QUOTE]

What Association...??? This is not correct. A few years ago there was a rule that if a defensive (with the ball) player touch the base unintentionally you could call them out but that is no longer the rule... 9.1.1 states casebook also "on proper appeal"... Please let me know what Association as I want to make sure ours is not calling this incorrectly... Thanks

Alliance Chapter

I do believe you, but anytime I see a question on here I like to ask those that call so that if it does come up then I know the answer in advance.

I think he was saying that the "proper appeal" was to simply touch the bag once you had the attention of the umpire instead of stepping on the rubber, stepping off, etc.

Let me know what you find out, I am interested to know a firm answer for this one.

you have to specify what you are appealing, such as which runner missed what base.

If it's not an appeal on a force play, such as the batter/runner not touching first, then it becomes a time play. In the example given it was not a force play, therefore it becomes a time play. If the appeal on the runner is after the other runner crosses the plate, then that run scores.

If it was on a force play, then no run scores.

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Originally posted by txbball14:
Alliance Chapter

I do believe you, but anytime I see a question on here I like to ask those that call so that if it does come up then I know the answer in advance.

I think he was saying that the "proper appeal" was to simply touch the bag once you had the attention of the umpire instead of stepping on the rubber, stepping off, etc.

Let me know what you find out, I am interested to know a firm answer for this one.

Alliance... WOW... We teach in the Alliance chapter that there has to be a "proper appeal". The umpire should not say anything when a runner misses a bag and only call the out once there is a "proper appeal".

The one that Kills me and I get on my partners about this (when they do it) is when a run scores they "point" at the runner touching home. I ask why do you do that... and they say that it shows the run scored, then I ask what happens if the runner misses the touch at home... they then say I don't point... exactly... what your doing it telling the defense he/she did not touch... so appeal... So if your out there and you point "DON'T"

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then I ask what happens if the runner misses the touch at home... they then say I don't point...

This has been going on since I played back in the dark ages. I was a catcher and can't tell you how many times I got an out by watching the umpire. If he didn't point or make a safe call on the bases I would go tag the runner. Brought both of my boys up to watch for the same thing and it still works today.