HS varsity. Runners on 2nd and 3rd two outs. Batter hits ball to second. The throw is bad and the 1st baseman has to dive up the line to grab it, he is off the bag but has the ball. Batter/Runner touches the bag while the defender is on his back. BU calls the BR out at first. Both runners cross the plate, runner from second was about 20 feet from the plate when the out call was made and the 1st baseman was still on his back. Offensive coach comes out and asks BU to check with the Plate umpire. They converse and the BU changes the call to safe, so still 2outs and runner at 1st. Defensive coach comes out to talk to PU and PU puts the runner back to 3rd. So my questions is why is the runner placed at 3rd? No play was attempted but the 1st baseman. What rule/mechanism was applied to substantiate the placement of the runner at 2nd back to 3rd base?
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HS varsity. Runners on 2nd and 3rd two outs. Batter hits ball to second. The throw is bad and the 1st baseman has to dive up the line to grab it, he is off the bag but has the ball. Batter/Runner touches the bag while the defender is on his back. BU calls the BR out at first. Both runners cross the plate, runner from second was about 20 feet from the plate when the out call was made and the 1st baseman was still on his back. Offensive coach comes out and asks BU to check with the Plate umpire. They converse and the BU changes the call to safe, so still 2outs and runner at 1st. Defensive coach comes out to talk to PU and PU puts the runner back to 3rd. So my questions is why is the runner placed at 3rd? No play was attempted but the 1st baseman. What rule/mechanism was applied to substantiate the placement of the runner at 2nd back to 3rd base?
I'm still trying to figure out how the BR is out at first?
HS varsity. Runners on 2nd and 3rd two outs. Batter hits ball to second. The throw is bad and the 1st baseman has to dive up the line to grab it, he is off the bag but has the ball. Batter/Runner touches the bag while the defender is on his back. BU calls the BR out at first. Both runners cross the plate, runner from second was about 20 feet from the plate when the out call was made and the 1st baseman was still on his back. Offensive coach comes out and asks BU to check with the Plate umpire. They converse and the BU changes the call to safe, so still 2outs and runner at 1st. Defensive coach comes out to talk to PU and PU puts the runner back to 3rd. So my questions is why is the runner placed at 3rd? No play was attempted but the 1st baseman. What rule/mechanism was applied to substantiate the placement of the runner at 2nd back to 3rd base?
One of the responsibilities of the umpire in chief is "to rectify any situation in which an umpire's decision that was reversed has placed either team at a disadvantage."
If the UIC's judgment is that a proper safe call would have resulted in a first and third situation, that's where he should place the runners.
lionbaseball, I think that the BU thought that the 1st baseman had somehow touched the base after catching the ball and that is why he called him out.
Swampboy: Thanks for the explanation, but without any attempt at a play by the 1st baseman and where R2 was at the time of the call I thought it was odd that they sent him back to 3rd. I can see why the defensive coach would argue for that.
A first baseman who thinks he just recorded the third out can't be held responsible for not making a play on the runner.
It's not the sort of play you'd expect a runner from second to score on. UIC probably had a different opinion as to where the runner was when the erroneous out call was made.
If the home plate umpire is seeing the play at first, then how can you also expect him to see the runner from 2nd is about to reach home plate? Makes sense to send him back to third IMO...
Swampboy: Thanks for the explanation, but without any attempt at a play by the 1st baseman and where R2 was at the time of the call I thought it was odd that they sent him back to 3rd. I can see why the defensive coach would argue for that.
Your judgment is different from the umpire's judgment. :shrug: It happens, and his is the only vote that counts.