CoachB25- Thank you, but the cheap shots at me personally deter from the overall conversation on the thread, so hopefully they can be ignored and the focus can remain on the information at hand. I'm trying to provide a lot of formidable references to back my claim, the excess comments take away from the discussion.
quote:Originally posted by CoachB25:quote:Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
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Personally, I think you could benefit from running and diet after seeing your latest pitching video.
JH has been a long time respected member of this board. How about you backing up your smack and posting video of yourself? backing up your smack and posting video of yourself?
Eric Cressey is one of the top Strength and Conditioning Coaches in America. He goes the extra mile making some of his stuff available. JH, nice reference to Eric!
You can say it's smack but I call it constructive criticism. Being a long time respected member is irrelevant to the discussion, except to the point of offering ridiculous statements.
And a 47 yr old man posting a video of himself pitching is irrelevant.
JH states that long distance (at least 1 mile) has minimal benefits to a baseball player.
Ask any outfielder who is fielding fly balls or baserunners running out a triple if cardiovacular fitness isn't important.
I've seen a few MLB players with guts and they usually play 1st base or pitcher.
quote:JH states that long distance (at least 1 mile) has minimal benefits to a baseball player.
No benefit, actually. I would run nothing over 120 yards.
quote:Ask any outfielder who is fielding fly balls or baserunners running out a triple if cardiovacular fitness isn't important.
Running out a triple is a sprint, 270 feet/90 yards. That is an anaerobic, fast twitch muscular movement. Cardiovascular fitness does not translate beneficially for anaerobic movements.
quote:Originally posted by J H:
If you chose, for whatever reason, not to read the scientific facts I provided for you upon request, you can look here at Eric Cressey's opinion. He is one of the foremost authorities on strength and conditioning for baseball players and has a laundry list of Major League clients. Specifically, "Reason #5": Cressey Article
The article applies to pitchers. So what is your point?
You must have ignored the seven science articles I provided upon your request.
quote:Originally posted by J H:
You must have ignored the seven science articles I provided upon your request.
After trying to sift through the first couple of "science" articles and the enormous quantity of gobbledeegook, yeah I ignored the rest.
But whatever.
When you break into the MLB then I think your posts will gain more credibility.
quote:Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:quote:Originally posted by J H:
You must have ignored the seven science articles I provided upon your request.
After trying to sift through the first couple of "science" articles and the enormous quantity of gobbledeegook, yeah I ignored the rest.
But whatever.
When you break into the MLB then I think your posts will gain more credibility.
I think that you have crossed a line here, and it has nothing to do with who JH is or how long he has been here.
Long distance running for baseball players has very little benefits other than good mental health and to drop a few pounds when reporting in spring. It's bad for your knees and ankles as well. My husband is a long distance runner who has had knee surgeries and ankle issues.
A baseball player can achieve the above using a stationary bicycle. Or better yet what my son does is stadium step running.
At my son's school there was a trail in the back of the field called the "thinking trail". It was used (not sure if still is) by players when they had done something that was inappropriate not baseball related. You would have to run that trail before you met with HC Jack Leggett about what you had done wrong.
bostonbulldog,
Can you give information where it states that running is beneficial to ball players?
BBB
A person might say the same thing about your posts?
I aagree with TPM, you have crossed a line. You are certainly free to disagree and not want to read evidence but to personally attack one because you do not agree with them is stepping over the line.
quote:quote:
Originally posted by J H:
You must have ignored the seven science articles I provided upon your request.
After trying to sift through the first couple of "science" articles and the enormous quantity of gobbledeegook, yeah I ignored the rest.
But whatever.
When you break into the MLB then I think your posts will gain more credibility
A person might say the same thing about your posts?
I aagree with TPM, you have crossed a line. You are certainly free to disagree and not want to read evidence but to personally attack one because you do not agree with them is stepping over the line.
I think this thread has devolved in several directions. I and other have commented more on the benefits of running vs. not running, as opposed to the original topic of running as a punishment.
While healthy debate/discussion is what we want, it should not get personal.
I think JH is a sharp young man based on what he has written in the past. So even though we disagree(at least to a certain extent) about the benefit of running a few miles, at the end of the day he is still entitled to his opinion/view. Just as he has posted information to back up his claims, so to can the other side. The fact that one of the most respected pitching guru's still has his pitchers/students run, is good enough for me. If JH and the people he respects feel the opposite, then it is good enough for him.
At the end of the day, we should all be able to sit down and have a beer together, because as everyone will agree, drinking beer is vital to any players health.
While healthy debate/discussion is what we want, it should not get personal.
I think JH is a sharp young man based on what he has written in the past. So even though we disagree(at least to a certain extent) about the benefit of running a few miles, at the end of the day he is still entitled to his opinion/view. Just as he has posted information to back up his claims, so to can the other side. The fact that one of the most respected pitching guru's still has his pitchers/students run, is good enough for me. If JH and the people he respects feel the opposite, then it is good enough for him.
At the end of the day, we should all be able to sit down and have a beer together, because as everyone will agree, drinking beer is vital to any players health.
quote:When you break into the MLB then I think your posts will gain more credibility
Wow???
quote:Personally, I think you could benefit from running and diet after seeing your latest pitching video.
This is insulting and not how we go about business here on this site.
The original poster was asking about running for punishment,not the benefits of cardivascular conditioning.
Running for punishment is stupid especially for striking out.Soon the hitters are worried about the outcome becaue of the punishment.Ive seen this tactic exhaust teams by midseason and ruin team chemistry.
A hitters head should be positive and only thinking about his appraoch and plan at the plate.When you start breaking a hitter down with punishment and punitive remarks and results it isnt a good thing.
In college in Spring these kids play games 4 days a week,plus practice with only having Mondays off.Add 12-16 units and two lifting days its full.
The last thing they need is exhaustion from punitive running.it doesnt work that I know.
quote:At the end of the day, we should all be able to sit down and have a beer together, because as everyone will agree, drinking beer is vital to any players health.
LOL,but only if they are 21.
quote:Originally posted by fanofgame:quote:At the end of the day, we should all be able to sit down and have a beer together, because as everyone will agree, drinking beer is vital to any players health.
LOL,but only if they are 21.
I don't know about the kids but as a long time Cubs fan watching the Mariners play out here I know beer has gotten me through many a season as a fan.
As for long distance running. Helping baseball? Probably not since it is more of a short muscle fiber sport over the longer muscle fibers used in running but there is nothing wrong with a kid being able to run. Cardiovascular health is important and the earlier a kid starts on that path the better.
But I agree, for baseball and baseball alone it doesn't really do much to improve a player.
wklink,
Watching anything for a long time Cubs fan must be extremely difficult.
The discussion has gotten off the original topic, to those with younger players, as your sons move through different levels you will find that other things will replace running to help properly condition your baseball players, all positions. There is a big change in the philosophy, so relying on what a former MLB player or instructor has to say and did years ago is not necessarily in conjunction with what is the better method, which in this case is long distance running.
Running serves it's purpose for other things. On the professional level, when players show up for spring training they do run, more so to shed some extra pounds that they come with, and to build team unity. You will find this more so in the lower levels. This is the same for college programs as well. Once season begins, the long distance running is replaced with other methods to condition.
Vector,
JH has supported information to back up his claim (as you yourself has stated), I have not seen you or anyone else who believes differently with theirs to do so.
Does the well respected pitching guru run the players for conditioning or for other reasons, please let us know who it is and where we can find that info. Are you talking about long distance running? Where is the info to support your statement?
Watching anything for a long time Cubs fan must be extremely difficult.
The discussion has gotten off the original topic, to those with younger players, as your sons move through different levels you will find that other things will replace running to help properly condition your baseball players, all positions. There is a big change in the philosophy, so relying on what a former MLB player or instructor has to say and did years ago is not necessarily in conjunction with what is the better method, which in this case is long distance running.
Running serves it's purpose for other things. On the professional level, when players show up for spring training they do run, more so to shed some extra pounds that they come with, and to build team unity. You will find this more so in the lower levels. This is the same for college programs as well. Once season begins, the long distance running is replaced with other methods to condition.
Vector,
JH has supported information to back up his claim (as you yourself has stated), I have not seen you or anyone else who believes differently with theirs to do so.
Does the well respected pitching guru run the players for conditioning or for other reasons, please let us know who it is and where we can find that info. Are you talking about long distance running? Where is the info to support your statement?