Scoring Question

The question of HOW MANY earned runs depends on how the runners on 1st & 2nd got there. If they both reached because of errors, then none of the runs would be earned.

But I suspect your question assumes no errors and is aksing WHO the earned runs get charged to.

In this case, the relief pitcher gets charged 1 ER for the home run. The other two ER's get charged to the previous pitcher -- including the runner who reached via fielder's choice.

Here's the wording from OBR (10.18):

"...(g) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not be charged with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who was on base at the time he entered the game, nor for runs scored by any runner who reaches base on a fielder's choice which puts out a runner left on base by the preceding pitcher."

Hope that helps.

I just got my new NFHS book, so I haven't checked to see if this has changed. But as I recall, the NFHS rule differs from the OBR in that the runner who reaches on a fielder's choice is charged to the new pitcher, not the previous one.

In the situation above no ERs were charged. I thought there would be 2 atleast. One for each HR. It struck me as odd when I saw it. The guy who reached on a FC I was not sure of.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Saw a game on LS this weekend. Pitcher comes in with 1 out and 2 on base. 1st & 2nd.
1st batter reaches on a fielder's choice. 2 nd batter hits HR. 3rd batter hits a HR.
How many ERs ?

See if I have this correct.

R1 and R2 when new P enters game.

On 1st batter new P faces:
Case 1; R1 is put out at 2nd while BR reaches 1st on FC.
Case 2; R2 is put out at 3rd while BR reaches 1st on FC.
Case 1; BR reaches 1st on FC when either R1 or R2 is attempted to be put out but no out is recorded.

Next batter, 2nd batter for new P, hits HR. Either 3 or 4 runs score depending on the case above.

Next batter, the 3rd batter for the new P, hits HR.

Now there has been either 4 or 5 runs scoring so far in the inning.

Assume it was all one P. In that case, all of the runs would be earned by OBR 10.18(a). All the runs would be earned according to 9-6-3 of the NFHS rules. They would also all be ER according to 10.22a of the NCAA rules.

Now change it to assume the 1st 2 batters were the responsibility of P1 and they reached without the aid of an E, a PB, or because of obstruction.

In that case, OBR 10.18(g) eliminates any runner who reached by a FC putting out a runner left by the preceding P, unless of course P2 came in in the middle of a PA. Depending on the count, 10.18(h) might apply, but that wasn’t part of the scenario. However, if the runner reached on a FC but a preceding runner wasn’t put out, the run is charged to P2. That’s also the case in NCAA by 10.22e.

However, under NFHS rules, all of the runs would be earned because 9-6-3 doesn’t make allowances for all the things OBR and NCAA do.

If someone knows of anyplace else in the NFHS book that deals with ERs, I’d sure appreciate a quote so I can find it.

I guess the bottom line is, don’t just take for granted that those people keeping score are doing it correctly and IAW the rules. In the case you gave, somebody screwed up. The HRs are definitely ERs, and charged to P2. The runner/runners left on base by P1 that score are ERs and charged to P1. the only issues I see is whether or not a preceding runner was put out on the FC that allowed the 1st BR of P2 to reach, and whether or not the game was played under OBR or NCAA rules which are basically the same, or under NFHS rules.

ScoreKeeper you come through again.
P2 was not charged with ERs on the 2 HRs. Totally mistified by that. (NCAA)
The 1st 2 runners (1st & 2nd) were on by hits. R1 out on FC p2 first batter. P2s 2nd B hits HR and 3rd B hits HR. 1st HR scoes 3. Total 4 runs scored.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
ScoreKeeper you come through again.

Just as I was beginning to think I was pretty hot stuff, I went and got a 2007 copy of OBR and NCAA.

AAARRGGGHHHHH!

Lots of changes. I know NFHS has made a few changes, but nothing on the order of OBR.

I guess its back to checking the book when there any doubt at all again. LOL!

While I was looking all over the place today, I came across this, from Official Rules: Forward.

We recognize that many amateur and non-professional organizations play their games under professional rules, and we are happy to make our rules available as widely as possible.

I think its time for me to make another shot at trying to find out why all the different rule sets are running around. If MLB is willing to allow their rules to be used by the “amateur and non-professional organizations”, I really can’t see any reason to have different rule sets with different templates.

Bobblehead,

Apologies on my "answer". When I originally read your post, somehow I didn't see that there were TWO HR's hit. My bad.

Thanks for an interesting scenario -- and thanks to scorekeeper, a real pro's pro.