scoring question

Yes the put out was at first but the second baseman made both put outs.  1-4 and 3-4 would be proper scoring.

Scoring is entirely based on the players position involved in the play and not the base where the out is recorded. 

So plays at the plate from the outfield (assuming no relay) would be 9-2 for RF throwing a man out at the plate with the catcher making the putout.  As noted above the 2B is 4 for scoring purposes so he gets the putout in both scenarios.  Assist goes to the fielder making the throw.

O.K. 1-4 and 3-4. If I look back at the book a month later, how do I know that the putout was made a 1st base and not at second base.

And, I've always scored it as 1-4 or 3-4 without ever thinking about it until recently.

Batter never reached.  So the implication is out at first.  Typically if I am scoring and a runner is thrown out on the bases I will put a line half way to the next base and then cross it like a T to indicate where the out was made.

Example 6-4-3 DP.  Runner in 1st reached on a single....solid line home to first on the diamond in most books.  Then the DP....draw solid line half way from 1st to 2nd on the diamond and then cross it like a T.  Make note that out 6-4 and the number of the out of the inning it was.

Lots of ways to do it ....that is mine.

Originally Posted by Stafford:

…If I look back at the book a month later, how do I know that the putout was made a 1st base and not at second base. …

Unfortunately, you’ve touched on one of the biggest problems with  traditional scoring, and one of the primary reasons why when I decided to go to electronic scoring, I made the leap to the “Project Scoresheet” scoring method. http://dcortesi.home.mindspring.com/scoring/

Scoring that way shows which at bat, the movement of every runner, whether that movement took place before, during, or after the play, what pitch the play took place on, the location on the field the ball was hit, and its trajectory. Here’s an example of one of our games. I know it looks complicated, but like everything else, once you get used to it is pretty simple, and tells a whole lot more than a traditional scorebook.  I’d have converted long before I did because its so much easier to pull data from, but no one else could read it. Now I don’t care. If someone wants to see the scoresheet, they can have one. Whether or not they understand it or not is something else.

The reason I keep a book is because one of the dads couldn't make it to all of the games due to work when the kids were in youth ball. He'd call and ask how Jr. did and then ask for more details once he made it. If he got a hit or grounded out, he'd want to know where the ball went and stuff like that. It became simpler to just keep a book and I could tell him what happened.

The added benefit was this.... I kept my mouth shut at games. I didn't yell out stuff to my son, I didn't yell at umpires, and I didn't get into any of the usual parent discussions related to coaching decisions. When you do the book, you stay focused on the play and getting it down. The only down side is if a game did not have a running scoreboard. Parents were constantly asking for the score and the count.

I now have an iPad and have tried to switch over to a couple of different electronic scoring apps, but really prefer the paper book. I use the iPad to video at bats.

Put an X at first in scorebook...but if you never drew the line anyway I think you have your answer. 

Stafford,

Evidently there’s some kind of transformation the baseball Gods perform when someone decides not to just become a baseball scorekeeper, but to become one who takes it seriously. What you wrote fits me almost exactly. He only difference is, I use my own program, not a scoring app.

Something I’ve said many times over the years is, when I’m scoring a game, I’m not seeing the same game everyone else is because of what I have to pay attention to. Do you get the same feeling?

Have you ever tried to use the Project Scoresheet method of scoring?

Stats4Gnats:

Yes, in a way, it's almost like being a player or coach... in the way you view the game related to a bad call, missed opportunity, or misplay or error.

A fan, or parent tends to dwell on such things, become angry or overly emotional, and harp on an issue or issues throughout the game. One perceived bad call, and they're on the ump for the rest of the game.

When you're scoring, you write down the outcome of the play and move on to the next. You can't sit there and fume about it, you've got to move on. And players and coaches are the same way, they've got to keep playing the hand that was dealt. In the end, it's just one call or one play, or one missed opportunity. It's not the whole game.

And when you look at the book, you can easily find errors and missed opportunities on both sides.