Since most kids don't make it, most people here are, or will be, (at least partially) disgruntled Dads/Moms.
I hope they are welcome.
quote:Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
Since most kids don't make it, most people here are, or will be, (at least partially) disgruntled Dads/Moms.
I hope they are welcome.
Don't make what? The HS varsity, a college roster, a ML roster?
I was addressing an unhappy parent whose son plays for a very good D1 program. The problem I guess is that he wasn't playing in the capacity he would have liked?
I am trying to figure that out.
I will stick with my original post, most times folks that are unhappy are because their players didn't do as well as they wanted them to, and then it becomes someone elses fault.
I just want people to understand how hard it is to go to the next level, whether it be college or pro, how much work it really takes, and if it doesn't turn out the way you think that it should, you can do one of two things, be positive and move forward and work as hard as you can, or move on.
There is NO cryin' in baseball.
People are always welcome, but if you are going to come and complain, blame others, make remarks about people here when you don't really know their situation or their players personal struggles, you know what you are gonna get.
With all of the things that have happened to our son over the past 5 years, I could be here everyday blaming someone else why he isn't where I think he should be, that would be easy. It's up to the player, he controls what happens to him by his attitude and play on the field. If it doesn't work, then look yourself in the mirror and say I did everything I could, don't blame others when you don't reach your goal. You are the only person who controls YOUR own destiny.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
daddys do not lie
Who died and left you the baseball know it all?
quote:Originally posted by Pop Up Hitter dad:quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Every experience that son had (HS) with scouts were nothing but positive.
Usually folks are down on the process when things didn't go well, usually the player got drafted much later than the family expected or he got less scholarship money than expected.
In so far as many college coaches are concerned, they aren't truthful to recruits, son spent a season being bullpen catcher, does anyone really think regardless of the money a player would accept this up front? Many of his current and ex teammates were in the same situation. Every JC has several ex D1s on their rosters. I'm thankful son is through the recruiting process.
Sultan, good analogy, I'm being convinced the majority of posters are either employed in a baseball related business or had sons who were never lied to and went first round.
JH, I believe JaggerZ is not in a position to name names as he still has a relative in the system. Maybe some day he can do that for us. People are blacklisted in baseball for telling the truth. Shortly our son's journey will come out.
PGstaff, good advice as always. As I've said in the past, son would have been overjoyed if he had ever got drafted any round. We never made it to the home visit level so I didn't have to spruce up our trailer.
Thanks Pop up Hitter. I do have a relative in the system that I do not want to jeopardize because when it comes to coaches and scouts I am wary. Experience has taught me that, not some self proclaimed expert.
JaggerZ, the "experts" on this forum only want to hear the positive side of recruiting. I have them on my ignore list so they can trash me all they want.
We have had our share of experience with scouts. My son had interest since his junior year in HS. Every scout he/we spoke with was straight forward and a pleasure to speak with. When they addressed me by name, it was "fun". This was part of "enjoying the ride".
My son filled out between 15-20 Questionnaires each of his last 3 College seasons, and went undrafted until his senior year.
That said, after his junior year we were pretty bitter for a bit. Getting calls in the 9th round and asking signability questions, yet not hearing his name called was not fun.
But that is not on the scouts. That is a result of a front office getting information from their scouting community and making a decision. Decisions were made by the front offices of many clubs, that my son was not what they thought they were looking for, based on their needs and availability of players in the draft.
That is not "on" any particular scout. It really is not "on" any particular club. If it was "on" anyone it was "on" my son. But, It "is what it is" (this is a baseball term I picked up through the years).
You have to go into this happy and committed to the process. It can be painful at times, I know it was very painful for myself and my wife in 2011. I know it was very painful for my son as well. He expected to get drafted that year. He had back to back years with really outstanding numbers. All three team mates that he found spots for in Fayetteville were drafted, and he was sitting there alone. Wondering why he was not good enough.
But it is a process, and it is not that any scout ever misled us, they each did the best they could for my son. It just was not his time. For most, that time never comes, so we continue to count ourselves fortunate.
My son filled out between 15-20 Questionnaires each of his last 3 College seasons, and went undrafted until his senior year.
That said, after his junior year we were pretty bitter for a bit. Getting calls in the 9th round and asking signability questions, yet not hearing his name called was not fun.
But that is not on the scouts. That is a result of a front office getting information from their scouting community and making a decision. Decisions were made by the front offices of many clubs, that my son was not what they thought they were looking for, based on their needs and availability of players in the draft.
That is not "on" any particular scout. It really is not "on" any particular club. If it was "on" anyone it was "on" my son. But, It "is what it is" (this is a baseball term I picked up through the years).
You have to go into this happy and committed to the process. It can be painful at times, I know it was very painful for myself and my wife in 2011. I know it was very painful for my son as well. He expected to get drafted that year. He had back to back years with really outstanding numbers. All three team mates that he found spots for in Fayetteville were drafted, and he was sitting there alone. Wondering why he was not good enough.
But it is a process, and it is not that any scout ever misled us, they each did the best they could for my son. It just was not his time. For most, that time never comes, so we continue to count ourselves fortunate.
Very well put FF.
Very humble and straigh to the point.
Very humble and straigh to the point.
REMEMBER THAT SCOUTS ARE REGULAR GUYS
TR, I knew I could get you two to agree. LOL!!!!!
pop up we agree 5the few ntimes she is correct---has nothing to do with you
quote:Originally posted by Pop Up Hitter dad:
TR, I knew I could get you two to agree. LOL!!!!!
He is right, this has nothing to do with you.
What happened to the conversation PUHD?
jaggerz
nobody has died that I know of and u have heard of glass houses
nobody has died that I know of and u have heard of glass houses
quote:Originally posted by jaggerz:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
daddys do not lie
Who died and left you the baseball know it all?
The committee met over Thanksgiving holiday at the banquet, and the award was presented then. Did you not get the memo?
quote:Originally posted by roar!:
we will be hosting a mlb scout in our home this week, our first visit, what is expected of us, should we have snacks available or just visit and what questions should we be sure to ask..any info would be appreciated
thanks
So Roar, did that scout ever show?
thanks for all the responses...didn't mean to start any arguements, lol, but there was alot of great info shared...the first scout called about 2 hrs before show up time...couldn't make it...second team, stayed in contact from the day he set up the meet until he showed up, 10 minutes early...he stayed a little over 2 hours and we had a great visit..
The scout is the #1 salesman for the player to the club he works for. You should be honest and straight forward. If you want to sign make it known otherwise it will be believed that the intention is to go to school.
If its about money...go to school. If its about opprotunity....sign.
The meeting is a get to know for both the scout and the player.
Things like short term and long term goals get discussed.
Talking about core beliefs and desires to excell.
Determining motivational values.
Mental toughness.
Who does the talking. The parent or the player.
What type competitor is the player. Does he compete against himself or the game.
Why do they want to play and what does the player enjoy the most about playing.
Talking about dealing with failure and poor preformances.
Asking about teammates.
What will you do after your playing career.
Do you have private instructors, trainers and what will their involvement be as the player moves into pro ball.
Medical concerns.
The home visit is a tool to the overall evaluation of the player.
A scout should be trusted. It is he who will sell your value to the club he works for. Be honest even if being honest hurts.
If its about money...go to school. If its about opprotunity....sign.
The meeting is a get to know for both the scout and the player.
Things like short term and long term goals get discussed.
Talking about core beliefs and desires to excell.
Determining motivational values.
Mental toughness.
Who does the talking. The parent or the player.
What type competitor is the player. Does he compete against himself or the game.
Why do they want to play and what does the player enjoy the most about playing.
Talking about dealing with failure and poor preformances.
Asking about teammates.
What will you do after your playing career.
Do you have private instructors, trainers and what will their involvement be as the player moves into pro ball.
Medical concerns.
The home visit is a tool to the overall evaluation of the player.
A scout should be trusted. It is he who will sell your value to the club he works for. Be honest even if being honest hurts.
