My son is a 2019 and my understanding is that September 1 is the day college coaches can directly reach out to prospects via phone or e-mail. He's had conversations with coaches when he has called and they answered. Is September 1 a day that will provide some indication as to who may be interested or is it simply another day on the calendar?
Wondering if any of your sons who have or are being recruited had any contact on September 1 of their Junior year? Thank you.
WCP
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My 2018 committed in July between his Sophomore and Junior year, so your results may vary.
The only real difference we noticed when September 1 hit was that the coaches from his committed school were able to reach out to him and me (typically by text) freely. This came in handy when a coach was trying to balance scouting games and wanted to know if my son was pitching and on what field of a tourney. For my son, it has also make the "love" (i.e. go where you are loved) more apparent.
My 2018 didn't have a lot of contact before Sept. 1. But his phone started ringing that day, and the first coach who called that day was the first to make him an offer.
Coaches get into kind of a rhythm. Son told me one day he was a little worried about one guy cause he hadn't called for "our regular Tuesday chat."
My kid didn't have much contact around early September... then he came out following spring 90-93 and things changed. You have to bang on these coaches unless your kid is on their radar. Trust me, the constant contact he had with Clemson early through the process when he wasn't being "recruited" certainly helped when they decided he was fit for their program.
According to the NCAA recruiting rules the date is September 15th for this year for D1.
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/defa...ndar_20170619pdf.pdf
I'm confused about this as well. How do kids commit prior to the September recruiting date of Junior year (whichever it is)? I know coaches can discuss camp performance - is there a loop there somewhere?
RedStitch posted:According to the NCAA recruiting rules the date is September 15th for this year for D1.
The document you referenced is the Recruiting Calendar, which overlays the NCAA Manual for all grade levels. It defines some break periods that limit contact for all recruits. The Manual actually dictates the beginning contact dates by sport and high school grade. See section 13.1.3.1 "Time Period for Telephone Calls - General Rule". It's September 1st of junior year for most sports, including baseball. Quiet Period just means no off campus face-to-face contact. Phone calls are allowed.
Cman posted:I'm confused about this as well. How do kids commit prior to the September recruiting date of Junior year (whichever it is)? I know coaches can discuss camp performance - is there a loop there somewhere?
September 1 of the Junior year is only the date after which coaches can initiate contact with the recruit directly. They can still talk with the recruit if they answer the phone when they call prior to Sept 1, but cannot return phone calls, e-mails, texts, physical letters or the like. After September 1, they can do all of that.
How a majority of coaches contact a recruit prior to Sept 1 is to contact their coach and ask them to have the player call them at a specific time. That, and in-person contacts, is how my son committed prior to Sept 1 of his Junior year.
Cman posted:I'm confused about this as well. How do kids commit prior to the September recruiting date of Junior year (whichever it is)? I know coaches can discuss camp performance - is there a loop there somewhere?
Coach calls Johnny's Travel Ball coach and says "I'd like Johnny to call me this Sunday at 3pm, at this number, have him text me 5 minutes before he calls to let me know it's him."....coach can't text Johnny back or call Johnny directly but Coach can pick up his phone when Johnny calls.
Also, if Johnny happens to wind up on campus to watch a football game on a day the coach asked him to be there, and somehow takes a tour of the baseball facilities and speaks to a few people, all unofficially of course, and asks Johnny to Verbally accept an offer then the coach still hasn't broken any rules.
Shoveit4Ks posted:My kid didn't have much contact around early September... then he came out following spring 90-93 and things changed. You have to bang on these coaches unless your kid is on their radar. Trust me, the constant contact he had with Clemson early through the process when he wasn't being "recruited" certainly helped when they decided he was fit for their program.
Very interesting statement. Obviously, it seems interest level picked up (understandedly so) when your son hit low 90s.
I hope you don't mind me asking but how did your son initiate the "banging", so to speak? Emails, camp attendance, coaches contact?
I think we all get that the school recruits the player but it sounds like you made it easier on them by contact and showing interest?
CaCO3Girl posted:Cman posted:I'm confused about this as well. How do kids commit prior to the September recruiting date of Junior year (whichever it is)? I know coaches can discuss camp performance - is there a loop there somewhere?
Coach calls Johnny's Travel Ball coach and says "I'd like Johnny to call me this Sunday at 3pm, at this number, have him text me 5 minutes before he calls to let me know it's him."....coach can't text Johnny back or call Johnny directly but Coach can pick up his phone when Johnny calls.
Also, if Johnny happens to wind up on campus to watch a football game on a day the coach asked him to be there, and somehow takes a tour of the baseball facilities and speaks to a few people, all unofficially of course, and asks Johnny to Verbally accept an offer then the coach still hasn't broken any rules.
Exactly.
Or coach responds to an email from the kid with something like: "NCAA rules only permit us to contact potential recruits prior to Sept. 1st of their junior year if the contact is about a camp. Therefore, this email is about our prospects camp, which is being held on xxx xx. Please call my cell phone at xxx-xxx-xxxx this weekend if you have any questions about our camp."
And of course there are many variations, all designed to comply with NCAA rules.
If a kid is on campus a coach is free to talk to him. If a kid calls a coach and the coach invites him to come check out the field and the campus, it's perfectly legal for the coach to talk to the kid while he's there....whether it's to discuss his ability or make an offer.
When can the kid throw for a coach at the D1 level, other than during a public game? Or can he?
Technically, D1 baseball coaches cannot conduct baseball tryouts for high school players "on its campus or elsewhere". That doesn't mean they can't walk their dog at your high school when you happen to be throwing a pen.
2019s, don't forget to check you e-mail, spam folder, and v-mail today. Fun if you get some love. If you don't, it's not that big of a deal, just keep working the plan.
My 2019 son got two this morning....4:26 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. Very exciting/stressful time for all. I probably read way to much into the wording on them. Looking for specific details, etc... They ended with the RC telephone # and asked for him to call them. First thing I do is google "Cost to attend XXXXX University"!
Question for the group: with respect to Sept. 1, what does it mean when a kid gets an email from a coach?
I'm not trying to funny. I understand the effort involved by a coach to call or even text a kid, but these Sept. 1 emails seem to be from an automated email program . . . does it mean the kid is somewhere on the board?
stayfocused posted:My 2019 son got two this morning....4:26 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. Very exciting/stressful time for all. I probably read way to much into the wording on them. Looking for specific details, etc... They ended with the RC telephone # and asked for him to call them. First thing I do is google "Cost to attend XXXXX University"!
Congratulations, that has got to make him very happy. Do you think the coaches were really up at 4am or was this a robo-email?
I have found this website to be very useful, http://www.collegedata.com/cs/...in_choose_tmpl.jhtml
When you put in a college it brings up a screen about that college and there are tabs on top of the screen that list overview, admission, money matter (aka tuition), academic requirements, campus life, students. Also lists what division the school is in athletics.
Iowamom23 posted:When can the kid throw for a coach at the D1 level, other than during a public game? Or can he?
At their camp..........fielders are doing their thing and pitchers are throwing in front of staff. You know when there's someone that has peaked interest... a simple phone call.....they hop on a golf cart or run to view the pitcher, I've witnessed them stopping the pitcher as to wait for HC. Staffers will then ask them to send their schedule...............spring rolls around, the PC and or RC comes with satchel, pen, paper and a radar gun..............
I've seen this play out many times, as well as a staffer going into the stands to retrieve the parents for a meeting/offer at the conclusion of the session.
Cherokeeplayer posted:Congratulations, that has got to make him very happy. Do you think the coaches were really up at 4am or was this a robo-email?
Recruiting management systems have features like delayed email delivery. Coaches can compose emails ahead of time, and set them up to be delivered early on 9/1. Of course they can do the same thing with mass-mailed items, so it's up to the recruit to figure that out. If they include a mobile number, and the coach answers when called, then it wasn't a mass mailing.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Cherokeeplayer posted:Congratulations, that has got to make him very happy. Do you think the coaches were really up at 4am or was this a robo-email?
Recruiting management systems have features like delayed email delivery. Coaches can compose emails ahead of time, and set them up to be delivered early on 9/1. Of course they can do the same thing with mass-mailed items, so it's up to the recruit to figure that out. If they include a mobile number, and the coach answers when called, then it wasn't a mass mailing.
Also if right near the sender's email address is says something like "via armssoftware" or "via jumforwardemail" it's a mass mailing.
Well darn 2019Dad.....all of them have the "via armssoftware".....guess no need to get too excited! Thanks for info.
stayfocused posted:Well darn 2019Dad.....all of them have the "via armssoftware".....guess no need to get too excited! Thanks for info.
ARMS Software is a software recruiting system. That doesn't mean the emails are not legit, they use that system to track all contact. Make sure your 2019 makes those calls today.
stayfocused posted:Well darn 2019Dad.....all of them have the "via armssoftware".....guess no need to get too excited! Thanks for info.
Well, that was sort of my question above. Clearly, they don't email every kid who has reached out to them . . . so I'm wondering what it means. Some of the programs who emailed today (via armssoftware) are ones in which my son has spoken with the coaches and/or done a UV and/or has a UV coming up soon . . . but others he hasn't spoken to (although he did email them (with no response to date other than camp invites)). So I'm not sure what it means.
So maybe you should get excited?!?
I believe posters here on HSBBW who are way more experienced than I am can chime in?
Edited to add: just saw MidAtlanticDad's post. Thank you!
Got a few emails so far this morning, hat tip to Duke, who beat everyone to the punch at 12am! All of the emails still had the camp invitations included, probably par for the course. One email from an ACC school (which was generic I believe) had the entire list of recipients visible, so if you are wondering how many people are getting these emails, in this case it was about 280.
SanDiegoRealist posted:Got a few emails so far this morning, hat tip to Duke, who beat everyone to the punch at 12am! All of the emails still had the camp invitations included, probably par for the course. One email from an ACC school (which was generic I believe) had the entire list of recipients visible, so if you are wondering how many people are getting these emails, in this case it was about 280.
SDR, sending you a PM.
Son got some emails today, some with the HC or RC replying back with their info and cell number and talks about watching him in the near future, will see what happens ..
Speaking (actually texting) this morning with several Dads whose sons have already committed to a school, I mentioned the emails and texts my son was receiving and how much fun it was to see the excitement and joy on his face. I don't think I would have it any other way for him. He has worked so hard and, at the same time, stood patient and supportive while some of his friends committed in their freshmen and sophomore years. While I understand the need for some families (financial, dream school, etc.), committing early (my opinion here), doesn't allow the student athlete the full recruiting experience. I have no idea what this will lead to for my kid as we are handing him the reins. But I do know, for one day during his high school baseball "journey", he felt like he was on top of the world. Pretty cool stuff.
Westcoastpapa, how did it go?
My son was committed before the Sept 1 date of his Junior year. Both the HC and RC of his committed school called him on 9/1. The RC just to say hey, I can call and wanted to be the first. The HC, just to touch base and show some love.
Even though it wasn't a big deal.....it was.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Technically, D1 baseball coaches cannot conduct baseball tryouts for high school players "on its campus or elsewhere". That doesn't mean they can't walk their dog at your high school when you happen to be throwing a pen.
D1 coaches may attended a HS game and watch a bullpen. However, most like to see a player in game situition.
Most offers are made in person.
TPM posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Technically, D1 baseball coaches cannot conduct baseball tryouts for high school players "on its campus or elsewhere". That doesn't mean they can't walk their dog at your high school when you happen to be throwing a pen.
D1 coaches may attended a HS game and watch a bullpen. However, most like to see a player in game situition.
Most offers are made in person.
I should have used "Reply With Quote". My reply was in reference to Iowamom23 asking "When can the kid throw for a coach at the D1 level?" Technically, I would say that you can never throw for a D1 coach, because that qualifies as a tryout. However, coaches can watch you throw in practice and games.
I agree that most offers are made in person, but D1 coaches aren't permitted to make off-campus contact until the July 1 prior to senior year, so most of those offers are being made on-campus.
Coaches have relationships with scouts. Many times they will send them out to watch the player at HS games.
You are correct that players are not allowed to try out for D1 coaches, either on or off campus.
Two years ago my 2017 got a few phone calls and no emails on Sept 1. This year my 2019 has received a few emails, but no calls or texts. Note: the schools that contacted my 2017 are NOT the same ones that contacted 2019 today.
I'm wondering if there is a heirachy of love in the manner of notification? Or is it just different coaches have different styles? It would seem to me a phone call/text would indicate more affection than an email, though I don't plan to share that opinion with my son. The excitement is nice, as has been acknowledged above. What I do plan to do is develop a divining rod for these opaque messages. Any venture capitalists out there?
smokeminside posted:Two years ago my 2017 got a few phone calls and no emails on Sept 1. This year my 2019 has received a few emails, but no calls or texts. Note: the schools that contacted my 2017 are NOT the same ones that contacted 2019 today.
I'm wondering if there is a heirachy of love in the manner of notification? Or is it just different coaches have different styles? It would seem to me a phone call/text would indicate more affection than an email, though I don't plan to share that opinion with my son. The excitement is nice, as has been acknowledged above. What I do plan to do is develop a divining rod for these opaque messages. Any venture capitalists out there?
Smoke, I thought it was phone calls > texts > emails . . . but what do I know? I guess bonus points if a school did all three!
That's my read, too. Hope he gets a call
or text sometime!
We are getting emails, many still pushing camps...still feels like a $$$ grab frankly
If you received a call today, more than likely you are high on the board.
SDR, it might be true about the money grab.
Today is the start of this seasons college FB. Busy day for many as their 2018 commits may be in town for the weekend (48 hours allowed).
Also, be aware that for many 2019s its early. Keep working on contacts. Let coaches know where you will be playing this fall.
My son received about 10 emails yesterday. No phone calls. His travel coach had calls from two D1s this week about his interest in them. It's a process. Have to keep on it. Can't get discouraged.
Midwest Mom posted:My son received about 10 emails yesterday. No phone calls. His travel coach had calls from two D1s this week about his interest in them. It's a process. Have to keep on it. Can't get discouraged.
Yeah our 2019 got about 8 emails but no phone calls. +1 to not getting discouraged - if there's one thing I've learned from this board, there are and will be a ton of ups and downs. It only takes one - and hopefully that one is the right one LOL.
