Should Jr pitch in the Fall?

Go44dad,

What does “Mostly on ASMI standards” mean?

I would love to see the “log” of all of his games pitched.Is it possible to get it in a DBF format or in a spreadsheet?

As for the question, “is he better off not pitching in the fall, or pitching 12 - 15 innings”, IMHO health wise he is better off not pitching while he’s trying to play and been conditioned for another sport. Skill wise, is another 15 innings gonna advance him so much it will get him drafted or a full ride? I seriously doubt it.

Now comes the biggie. What will it do for him in the eyes of the guy who will be his HS coach? Now there’s the $64,000 question! Some coaches will see it as him not being committed to baseball and even if only sub-consciously, it will be a black mark he’ll have to overcome. Some coaches won’t give it any weight as long as he’s playing another sport for the school.

There’s just no way for anyone not intimately familiar with the coach and the program to know.

Can only tell you how things went here.In the end its your son.Does the 8th grade where you live play fall ball or spring ball?Here its fall ball.I will assume at the minumum your son started a lifting program with the football team as soon as school was out.Here started lifting with HS football team when school started up after christmas break.There is no bad percentage of FB and CU.They are both the same pitch.Your guy should be at this point able to throw his CU at any count for a /or to get a strike.We let football be football and the same for BB.This fall(sr. yr.) that will not be the case.Here started learning to throw CB in winter of freshman year.RARELY needed a 3rd pitch at that point but the day was coming when he would.Handful of outs during school ball possibly X2 during travel.By summer of soph. yr. was starting to throw whatever whenever going into jr. year.2016 has never had any arm problems other than the good sore after a game.Theres  two things that have been the difference with him.He was/is in outstanding shape.He was that way before throwing anything that could stress his arm and has stayed that way.He also has great mechanics has been that way all his life just one of those things.Very, very easy to tell when he has had enough.Sounds like you could more than likely say the same about your guy.I think what you might want to consider asking yourself is this.Is my son phsically in good enough shape along with his mechanics to pitch this fall.Or do we take our normal break and get down to basics.Core and legs.Its sort of like macauther said. The core,the core The core.At any age thats the ticket.

"Mostly ASMI" means attached.  He is a "rising 8th grader".  What the HS coach thinks is out of our control.

Stats - ASMI sets guidelines for pitching. Look them up if you are that interested.

I would let him decide. In general I like the shut down time in particular for 13-15 YO's who could be going through growth spurts. The only thing to remember is that if he pitches he needs to throw during the week to keep his arm in shape for pitching. Going out and pitching once a week is not good IMO. I also like the mental break.

My 2 cents

13 years old? He shouldn't pitch in the fall. He should play football or even the awful game of s-o-c-c-e-r. His arm needs a break. So does the rest of his body.

If he were my son he would play football in Fall, then start back w pitching coach in late Nov to continue working on mechanics to get ready for next Spring. 

4dad, Is your son an 8th grader or incoming freshman?Here weightlifting/7 on 7 are things that only happen with HS. ball.The youth leagues do not lift or play any 7 on 7.

I appreciate everyone's feedback and opinions.

My son is an incoming 8th grader.  He is in private middle school and then will move to a Texas 6A public when he enters high school.  The privates have 7 on 7, weightlifting. He will play football with the middle school in the fall.

Being that you are from Texas where baseball can be played year round. I would shut him down, let his arm rest. then in winter he can work on cutter and gear up for spring/ season.

Here in Ohio, we can't even think about getting outside after early November for the most part. So sometimes it is good to go into fall and then shut down for winter but in your case, let him play football and rest his arm. JMO

Originally Posted by Go44dad:

"Mostly ASMI" means attached.  He is a "rising 8th grader".  

I’m not familiar with the word term “attached”. I’ve only heard ASMI to mean American Sports Medicine Institute.

What the HS coach thinks is out of our control.

Well, it is and it isn’t. It just depends on how much you know about him and how he perceives this kind of thing. If you don’t know, it is out of your control. But if you know he has a history of not looking kindly on players who choose not to do what he asks of them, then you’re playing with fire and it is within your control. In this case ignorance is bliss.

I threw your numbers into a table and did a bit of manipulation on them. See the attachment.

I flipped the colors to red and turned on a flag when the number of days of rest was less than 3. That doesn’t mean something bad happened, but when there are less than 3 days of rest those outings should be looked at a bit more closely.

Originally Posted by BOF:

Stats - ASMI sets guidelines for pitching. Look them up if you are that interested.

I think it’s safe to say I know what the ASMI guidelines are better than most, including yourself. But the reason I asked was that I’d never seen them referred to quite the way he did, and since his answer was "Mostly ASMI" means attached. I’m still not sure what he meant.

Did you look at his attachments? 

Originally Posted by Bulldog 19:

Did you look at his attachments? 

Did you look at what I attached in reply to his post with the attachments?

Go44dad, I have a 2020 as well.  We were told that 14u gets a bit wonky with very few games until May to accommodate the HS program that several 14u kids could be on.  So really we are treating Fall as a continuation of Summer and taking the break from November-February, Really kicking it up around 3/1.  My son has about the same amount of pitches and innings as your kid, but doesn't play football.

Thanks, CaCo....My sons org is actually by grad year, so they are all 2020's.  The problem with the 14U season in spring is finding decent competition, b/c a lot of the 14's are ninth graders at that time.

And thanks to the other posters, your responses are appreciated.

2016 played fall baseball(school ball) along with at same time as youth football all 3 yrs.8th grade yr. played well into state tourney so 10 games or so extra.Pitched and played QB.PC's were well watched.Plenty of pitchers at Jr. high level.Never was/had a problem.Just know its an exsausting situation for the player.Whenever theres time for extra sleep let him have it.I say go for it.Is 8th grade his 1st yr. playing FB?He didn't do both last year?Here starting in 6th grade all the kids get/take 1 study hall.Just make sure he realizes without the grades theres no FB or BB anyway.

Personally, if it were my son, with football, I wouldn't have him pitch, sometimes common sense beats all the charts and graphs, and of course.....attachments.

Originally Posted by proudhesmine:

2016 played fall baseball(school ball) along with at same time as youth football all 3 yrs.8th grade yr. played well into state tourney so 10 games or so extra.Pitched and played QB.PC's were well watched.Plenty of pitchers at Jr. high level.Never was/had a problem….

Glad he had no problems, but that wasn’t the experience two boys here had. Both were playing FB and baseball at the same time, and both were so severely injured, they completely lost the next year of baseball. Most of the top players around here are very much “encouraged” to choose one or the other to play, usually seeing the choice made to play the sport that’s “in season”. I.e. FB in the fall, BB in the winter, and BB in the spring.

I just don’t see any reason to play 2 HS sports at the same time. What does it prove? Sounds like a macho undertaking to me.

Both were IN season.You should stick to commenting to OP with your personal experiences or thoughts.Not what you think about things here.I am not telling anyone to do anything.Also for the future.Not only do I think the stories about this guy my brother works with has a cousin that lives accross the street from this guy stories save for your bunch its all Bull .... Here.

No

I also played football and baseball at the same time in 7th and 8th grade. Football was through a youth league and baseball was the junior high season in the fall. Boy was that exhausting! We had 2-3 of us who did so. Fortunately, our baseball coach (who was also the high school coach) supported our decision to play both and allowed us to do so, with the understanding that baseball came first. He did, however, let me leave a baseball doubleheader early on Saturday to make it to a football game. I had already gone into the game and been replaced. So he told me to go play football rather than sit on the bench the rest of the day. 

Originally Posted by proudhesmine:

Both were IN season.You should stick to commenting to OP with your personal experiences or thoughts.Not what you think about things here.I am not telling anyone to do anything.Also for the future.Not only do I think the stories about this guy my brother works with has a cousin that lives accross the street from this guy stories save for your bunch its all Bull .... Here.

If you don’t want anyone misunderstanding what you’re saying, why not try to be more precise in what you say, rather than act like a churlish child when someone doesn’t read your mind?