shoulder pain

going to a doctor should be your only option if you want to have a career in baseball. your arm is the gateway for your career.
if its not that bad then try researching for a throwing program and strength program such as Jaeger Sports and J-bands

The pain is not that bad i just want to know how to get rid of it, i've been resting it for over a month

rest is good but its got to be in conjunction with a good physical therapy program. Thrive on throwing by Jaeger Sports and their J-bands are one of the best out there.
If it hasn't gone away with a months rest without throwing then i doubt its not that bad of pain

Well, I have a surgery band, do i use that and not throw or not use the band at all and rest for a month. If i am to use the band, do i use it every other day, every day, how many times a day, and for how long? The the pain is like i just pitched the day before. I think it might be something like Flammation

Oh and i forgot to mention, I dont have to throw to feel the pain, if i put my arm at a 90 degree angle and bend it back i can feel the discomfort

joe91 -
Pain is never ok, see a doctor. All other options can cause further damage.

joe91- When you are in the high cocked position is you're elbow at shoulder height? If not this could be the reason why you're having so much pain. Alot of kids when they throw they never really get their elbow to shoulder height and they get in big trouble when they start to rotate causing alot of stress.

Get it checked out. No reason to speculate.

A friend of my son returned from college over the Christmas break and took a few weeks off from baseball. He started to throw again and the symptoms that he had were very similar to what you are describing.

That being said, you need to be seen by a doctor NOW because the sooner you get the correct diagnosis the sooner you will be able to get treatment.

OK, this is what happened to my son’s friend. Decided like you did to rest it for awhile but after 4 weeks threw and the pain was still there. His parent’s took him to the doctor who put him on anti-inflammatory medication and physical therapy. Four weeks later pain still there so they do MRI, MRI comes back normal – no tear. Doctor gives him more physical therapy and says that rehab is the only way to get it back in shape. Does the bands, ultra sound, muscle stim, ice, etc. etc.

Finally, doctor tells him that the muscle in his shoulder is “like a knot” and until the “knot” is broken up it won’t get better. He starts getting massages to the shoulder but still it’s not helping much.

I was told that two weeks ago he found a doctor that did a treatment called “active release technique.” The treatment is like a deep muscle massage, except while they are doing it they are moving the arm and shoulder around. After treatment he gets acupuncture and a pat on the rear.

He still hasn’t thrown in about 3 months now, but says the shoulder has increased range of motion, less pain and a lot less tightness. Doctor says is putting him on a strict throwing program this weekend. We’re all saying our prayers because the player is very talented.

Also, during this time he has been taken a supplement called Ciccus Rx that (supposedly) strengthens & repairs tendons/muscles.

Again, get to a medical doctor, get an MRI and get a diagnosis and treatment plan. You don’t want to mess with this because the longer you wait the longer you may be sitting.

Good luck.

Funny that Ciccus RX shows up on BODYBUILDING sites and they refer to "cycles" ---that term scares me---is he doing this under the guidanc eof a doctor or physical therapist? Also this may have ingredients illegal under NCAA rules

I am sure Coach Doyle knows a bit more about it

Cissus RX is actually an awesome supplement. It is a natural herb that has been used for centuries in India, with a great deal of research behind it that shows it to rebuild tendons, ligaments, bone and muscle tissue.

It is relatively "new" to the US market and I predict it to be the next big thing. I believe the company has a US patent for its use so anything else by another company is not the real thing.

This is alot coming from me because I am very skeptical when it comes to most supplements, but this one pans out in the real world and in studies. Just to note most of the studies have been done in India.

I personally have used it with great results. Nothing in the herb is banned by the NCAA. But of course check with your doc before you use anything.

In addition to what was said above, I HIGHLY recommend ART, or Active Release Technique, for any soft tissue injuries.

It has saved the carrer of many professional and amateur athletes, including yours truly, over the last decade or so.

Just to warn, it HURTS!!! But well worth it.

I believe the website is www.activerelease.com

Jon, should someone who believes they may qualify go to the ART specialist first or go so their normal doctor to see if the treatment is necessary?

My son's buddy just called and said that the doc that's been doing the active release is going to have him briefly throw this weekend. This is after two weeks of this treatment. I'm anxious to see how this works. My son went with him and the doc works on some MLB & NFL players who come in once a month just to get the tendons, muscles loosened up.

Heck, if this works, maybe I can get in there and regain some of my old form. Then again, if it would help my golf swing that would be even better.

Upstate,

I know that you addressed this to Jon, but I can tell you that the orthopedic surgeons (2) that looked at this kids shoulder had never even heard of this. They discussed deep tissue massage, physical therapy and/or medications. Active release is done by some MD's but mostly by chiropractors. I personally, would go to the MD to make sure that it was soft tissue related and not a tear. The active release breaks down scar tissue in the shoulder that has been built up over the years from overusage. This would include an MRI, with dye, first.

joe91 and others,

This forum should stay away from giving any medical advice out. You can't compare a injury that your son had to another. It's like apples to oranges. I work for orthopedic surgeons and I here this all the time from patients. The thing to do is get an second opinion if your not getting results.

D. Terry, MS,

I think that virtually everyone agrees that he needs to get checked out by a medical doctor before doing anything. I realize that you work for orthopedists, but there are other alternative treatments that work better on some than treatment offered by many orthopedic surgeons.

Obviously, everyone is different and injuries are different, but if something works for someone what is wrong with letting someone know about it? The kid that I was talking about had been treating with an orthopedic surgeon who gave him anti-infammatory meds, muscle relaxers, pain pills and a Rx for physical therapy. Kid went to another for s econd opinion, this one told him the same thing. This time after another two months of physical therapy the health insurance stopped paying and he fought with them for another month trying to get them to pay for more treatment. After seven months of not being able to throw and being denied more treatment he tried the alternative release treatment and supplement.

I'm sure that the anti-infammatory meds, muscle relaxers, pain pills and a Rx for physical therapy route works for some, but just as you said people have different injuries and react differently to different types of treatment.

If people on this site don't state opinions and give feedback, then it would be far less beneficial. I agree that no one should give medical advice, but I don't believe that anyone has in this instance.

Canes,

I respect yours and others statements. But, this forum if not mistaken is for strength and conditioning. I don't think statements in regards to injuries and rehabilitation is appropriate for members on this site. Especially when there are young players on here all the time.

As far as others giving advice all you need to do is look at some of the previous posts.

Darin Terry

D.Terry,

Seems to me that everyone who gave experience also mentioned to check with a doctor.

I feel hearing other peoples experiences is extremely beneficial to everyone.

I too work with many doctors and ortho's. They all have busy lives and certainly cannot keep up with everything. Many of them rely on individuals, such as you and me, to bring certain techniques to their attention and want to hear about our experiences.

I feel a quality strength absolutely has to have a good grasp on rehab techniques as we both know injuries are alwyas being dealt with and working with an athlete who is 100% is very rare.

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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
Cissus RX is actually an awesome supplement. It is a natural herb that has been used for centuries in India, with a great deal of research behind it that shows it to rebuild tendons, ligaments, bone and muscle tissue.

It is relatively "new" to the US market and I predict it to be the next big thing. I believe the company has a US patent for its use so anything else by another company is not the real thing.

This is alot coming from me because I am very skeptical when it comes to most supplements, but this one pans out in the real world and in studies. Just to note most of the studies have been done in India.

I personally have used it with great results. Nothing in the herb is banned by the NCAA. But of course check with your doc before you use anything.

Now how would someone like yourself learn about that ?

Represent.