My freshman son also got his summer placement with the Humboldt Crabs. I wonder if early summer placement also means a better shot at getting on the traveling roster.
Sounds like good news ORmom and Newcomer!
Guess I know where the OR family will be vacationing this summer - long way from Texas to Nevada!
Guess I know where the OR family will be vacationing this summer - long way from Texas to Nevada!
quote:Originally posted by curveball07:
Sounds like good news ORmom and Newcomer!
Guess I know where the OR family will be vacationing this summer - long way from Texas to Nevada!
The Jayhawk league is in Kansas and Missouri.
NEVADA,MO
quote:Originally posted by Newcomer:
My freshman son also got his summer placement with the Humboldt Crabs. I wonder if early summer placement also means a better shot at getting on the traveling roster.
Don't think the early placement on a Summer league means anything in regards to the travel roster, but folks I know who played for the Crabs had a blast! The fans love getting autographs of the guys.
http://www.humboldtcrabs.com/
My son has been placed with the Duluth Huskies in Minnesota. This will be my vacation too!
quote:Don't think the early placement on a Summer league means anything in regards to the travel roster
This is correct Many RS players are placed but it doesn't mean much. It may mean he won't get cut. Usually it is for guys who need playing time. You see all levels of players who get placed in the Fresh and Soph years to get them some on field playing time.
So, at this point getting notified of placement for summer could be a forshadowing that you might not be getting much playing time in season?
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:quote:Don't think the early placement on a Summer league means anything in regards to the travel roster
This is correct Many RS players are placed but it doesn't mean much. It may mean he won't get cut. Usually it is for guys who need playing time. You see all levels of players who get placed in the Fresh and Soph years to get them some on field playing time.
I am not sure that is a fully correct statement.
You will find different schools use the summer for different reasons based on the player's ablity.
Some schools will hold some players back due to being used a lot during the season (such as starting pitchers) and they want them to rest their arms. They may have set them up to go to a team and at the last minute, just keep them at home to let them rest. Some schools also will start to hold back players who need to go to summer schools, weather to get his classes in to graduate in time or early, or others to stay eleigible. They also may had been set up with a team at the beginning of the school year.
It looks like certain schools have relationships with certain leagues/teams that they allocate a certain number of players to and then try to find slots for others. Certain leagues are stronger than others and want the best players where others just look to get players, both looking to get the best they can.
Some schools (very few) send out incoming freshman, some of the top players in the Northwoods league (considered a good league) were incoming freshman, where as others have their top players as juniors who are getting additonal exposure for the next year's draft.
Bottom line some schools will set up some sort of summer team for their players (incoming freshman, red shirts, up to Juniors) and others don't do anything for their players.
quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
So, at this point getting notified of placement for summer could be a forshadowing that you might not be getting much playing time in season?
I hoped BobbleheadDoll did not frighten people with his view....
I am very aware it is not an absolute statement but it is generally true.
How do they know their ability in regards to a freshman in the fall this early ?
Many of the leagues if you check have low inning players and a lot of RS freshmen.
My son was placed in a top league in his freshman year and turned it down. Placed in a top league the soph year and turned it down. He did so because he needed to earn some money over the summer. He also had a great team here to play for while he worked.
I don't think this should scare anyone. Yes there are some top guys who get placed on ability.
No it doesn't necesarily mean you will get low innings but should indicate you will not get cut. I can't see a coach placing a player that he is going to cut. RS possibly.
How do they know their ability in regards to a freshman in the fall this early ?
Many of the leagues if you check have low inning players and a lot of RS freshmen.
My son was placed in a top league in his freshman year and turned it down. Placed in a top league the soph year and turned it down. He did so because he needed to earn some money over the summer. He also had a great team here to play for while he worked.
I don't think this should scare anyone. Yes there are some top guys who get placed on ability.
No it doesn't necesarily mean you will get low innings but should indicate you will not get cut. I can't see a coach placing a player that he is going to cut. RS possibly.
Kind of lost track of what some folks are saying about summer league placement?
On the other thread Great Lakes, a famous poster showed some statistics that the rosters from all the leagues represent a mere fraction of the total amount of players in all Divisions plus NAIA.
Based on what I have learned, who I know, and a little research, getting an early assignment to a league is a privilege for one.
Secondly, your college coach thinks very highly of you, and wants you to keep on playing, get added exposure, and further develop.
I don't see the relationship between summer league early assignment and the travel roster. My thought is this.
If a freshman comes in with a pretty good history, proves it out in Fall workouts and Spring practice, then one could conclude that he is a probable contributor to the team, and would most likely travel.
On the other thread Great Lakes, a famous poster showed some statistics that the rosters from all the leagues represent a mere fraction of the total amount of players in all Divisions plus NAIA.
Based on what I have learned, who I know, and a little research, getting an early assignment to a league is a privilege for one.
Secondly, your college coach thinks very highly of you, and wants you to keep on playing, get added exposure, and further develop.
I don't see the relationship between summer league early assignment and the travel roster. My thought is this.
If a freshman comes in with a pretty good history, proves it out in Fall workouts and Spring practice, then one could conclude that he is a probable contributor to the team, and would most likely travel.
All players get assignments for different reasons, some earlier than others. Coaches who have watched incoming players have an idea of their ability. Coaches will also wait to see what league he may want to place a player in, because once you sign the contract you are obligated to that league. There is no one size fits all. My son was the only freshman given assignment two weeks after he came because that was in the discussion if he came to school. The others did not get assignemnt until season or spring.
You also will be denied the opportunity if you so not produce good grades, more than your performance on the field.
It is no indication of the year ahead as far as RS or limited innings, travel roster, starters, etc. Coaches don't limit innings in college because of summer assignment. They may ask the summer coach to limit innings for pitchers. Summer play benefits everyone and will be discussed again if necessary between coach and player when the season ends. A player DOES not have to follow through if he decides not to play summer ball.
Folks, relax, you've got to get through the season before summer. Stop worrying about cuts, making the travel roster, RS, etc. As 0S8 stated, this is a great opportunity and just enjoy.
You also will be denied the opportunity if you so not produce good grades, more than your performance on the field.
It is no indication of the year ahead as far as RS or limited innings, travel roster, starters, etc. Coaches don't limit innings in college because of summer assignment. They may ask the summer coach to limit innings for pitchers. Summer play benefits everyone and will be discussed again if necessary between coach and player when the season ends. A player DOES not have to follow through if he decides not to play summer ball.
Folks, relax, you've got to get through the season before summer. Stop worrying about cuts, making the travel roster, RS, etc. As 0S8 stated, this is a great opportunity and just enjoy.
TPM-
Thanks, I'm relaxing and enjoying.
Thanks, I'm relaxing and enjoying.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
This is correct Many RS players are placed but it doesn't mean much.
My view is that getting placed for the summer is extremely important. It is evidence of a committment from the coaching staff to the continued development of your son... for the 2009 baseball season.
While there may be variations, the coaches I know work very hard to identify those situations that will permit their players to have the best experience, exposure and potential to improve. They want them to be better when they return the next Fall.
Trying to read into items like these placements is like trying to read tea leaves. Whether your son travels in 2007 will depend on how well he competes and performs in every practice/scrimmage until Feb 22. It will also depend on how others who are competing for playing time perform in practice and scrimmages.
What your son can do is play every day at his peak and never get tired or mentally lazy.
His job is to make the coaches decision a hard one on 2/22/07. What happens next summer isn't going to impact playing decisions from February to June.
Thanks for clarifying.Those of us who are just going through some of these experiences, don't know what to believe, and then we read something that might set off another question.. I going to relax and enjoy and see what happens.
quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
Thanks for clarifying.Those of us who are just going through some of these experiences, don't know what to believe, and then we read something that might set off another question.. I going to relax and enjoy and see what happens.
Believe the post above yours, good advice.
Don't ever be afraid to ask questions.
I can tell you that some laegues are much better than others. The experiences are as varied as they can be. If you research where your son is going it will help just like you would a chool. No one can predict a good fit.
My son just turned down a 3rd assignment. I was surprised anyone would want him after last summer. I talked to him last night after he pitched in his WS game and he said it was the worst experience of his life. No reflestion on his host family though who are actually plnning to visit him this season. I personnaly would like to see him go to another team but he has no interest. Wants to stay in Charleston owrk and workout.
It is important that the team you go to does more than just play games. Without instruction and workouts you won't get any better. You will just build on your flaws.
My son just turned down a 3rd assignment. I was surprised anyone would want him after last summer. I talked to him last night after he pitched in his WS game and he said it was the worst experience of his life. No reflestion on his host family though who are actually plnning to visit him this season. I personnaly would like to see him go to another team but he has no interest. Wants to stay in Charleston owrk and workout.
It is important that the team you go to does more than just play games. Without instruction and workouts you won't get any better. You will just build on your flaws.
BHD,
Stop freaking parents out. You are one of the very few I have ever heard complain their son's summer experience was not good.
Once again as far as instruction, there is a very little, the reason being, it is up to where one goes to college to have proper instruction to improve. One takes what he learns in college to work on over the summer. These are not INSTRUCTIONAL leagues. If you are not getting what you need to improve in a college program, seek private instruction in the summer and stay home. Once in a while you will find a coach who will make suggestions, but most respect college coaches not to make changes. Plus, now you are working with wood and the game changes.
As far as workouts, there are usually no facilities available to players other than local gyms, which they may have to join and a player should know his workout routine back at school, not waiting for a summer manager or coach to tell him what to do. The player can ask his trainer at school what he needs to work on over the summer.
Summer ball is all about more at bats, more innings. If one is expecting more than that, they shouldn't attend.
Stop freaking parents out. You are one of the very few I have ever heard complain their son's summer experience was not good.
Once again as far as instruction, there is a very little, the reason being, it is up to where one goes to college to have proper instruction to improve. One takes what he learns in college to work on over the summer. These are not INSTRUCTIONAL leagues. If you are not getting what you need to improve in a college program, seek private instruction in the summer and stay home. Once in a while you will find a coach who will make suggestions, but most respect college coaches not to make changes. Plus, now you are working with wood and the game changes.
As far as workouts, there are usually no facilities available to players other than local gyms, which they may have to join and a player should know his workout routine back at school, not waiting for a summer manager or coach to tell him what to do. The player can ask his trainer at school what he needs to work on over the summer.
Summer ball is all about more at bats, more innings. If one is expecting more than that, they shouldn't attend.
Ditto, TPM.
TPM I am glad you agree .
I couldn't have said it better.
I couldn't have said it better.
Like anything else in life, it is what you make of it. If you don't want to be there, you will not enjoy it. If you take it for what it is...a good opportunity to play ball with a new bunch of ballplayers, experience a new environment or part of the country it can be a very positive summer, despite the strength of the league or team.
Do summer coaches recruit? Are there specific rules about summer teams and how their roster is selected?
For the most part, the summer college wood bat leagues coordinate through the college coaches.
There are some leagues which are not NCAA certified and they bring in other players "free agents" who might not even be in college to play on their teams, they are the ones which go to the NBC world series (really fun event) and try to win it with "hired hand - ringers."
There are some leagues which are not NCAA certified and they bring in other players "free agents" who might not even be in college to play on their teams, they are the ones which go to the NBC world series (really fun event) and try to win it with "hired hand - ringers."
Not a post about summer league..
Just got back from seeing my freshman son play in his school's World Series. What a thrill to see him put on that college uniform for the first time and to see him play! Goose bumps and a few tears!
I also survived not seeing him for six weeks~
Just got back from seeing my freshman son play in his school's World Series. What a thrill to see him put on that college uniform for the first time and to see him play! Goose bumps and a few tears!
Of all our college experiences, seeing son first time in uniform is one of the most treasured.
I didn't get teary eyed, I just cried.
I didn't get teary eyed, I just cried.
curveball07,
Glad to hear you had a good time-can't wait to hear about it! I bought my plane ticket to go see the first couple of games of son's world series the end of the month. After we talked I decided what the heck-I'm going by myself since dad can't go!!! My son didn't seem to think it was TOO wierd that I'm going to go without hubby-I can't wait!!
Glad to hear you had a good time-can't wait to hear about it! I bought my plane ticket to go see the first couple of games of son's world series the end of the month. After we talked I decided what the heck-I'm going by myself since dad can't go!!! My son didn't seem to think it was TOO wierd that I'm going to go without hubby-I can't wait!!
quote:Originally posted by curveball07:
Not a post about summer league..
Just got back from seeing my freshman son play in his school's World Series. What a thrill to see him put on that college uniform for the first time and to see him play! Goose bumps and a few tears!
Congratulations! Great feeling isn't it?
I have been a rock since my son got to school. He is only 4 1/2 hours away. Friday he surprised us by coming home. Well that surprise certainly got me teary-eyed! Coach had given them the weekend off! We had plans to go on a college visit with my daughter so he went with us. Can't remember the last time all four of us were in the car together - we had some real bonding time together - it was great!
Right now mine is 20 hours away and, he's apparently doing pretty well in school - a change -but not well in baseball - a change.
We apparently got caught by an over recruiter. Even though i did my roster homework 25 last spring and about 35 in fall...this year he returned only 6 of 17 sophs. and brought in 10 soph transfers and 34 freshmen.
Son says he's hitting around .350 with only two Ks in about 40 plate appearances but coach has forgotten him doesn't take him to games away from school and didn't play at home.
The coach is only doing his job his team is very talented...! And, beauty is in the eyes of beholder. Son believes coach playing favorites (he's not one) but I said...that's is job to win.
Son asked what he should do and I said work harder and talk to the coach...we'll see
Sometimes adversity is a good thing - we'll see!
We apparently got caught by an over recruiter. Even though i did my roster homework 25 last spring and about 35 in fall...this year he returned only 6 of 17 sophs. and brought in 10 soph transfers and 34 freshmen.
Son says he's hitting around .350 with only two Ks in about 40 plate appearances but coach has forgotten him doesn't take him to games away from school and didn't play at home.
The coach is only doing his job his team is very talented...! And, beauty is in the eyes of beholder. Son believes coach playing favorites (he's not one) but I said...that's is job to win.
Son asked what he should do and I said work harder and talk to the coach...we'll see
Sometimes adversity is a good thing - we'll see!
Yes you can do your due diligence and still get caught. Your son has to follow your advice and not get caught up in the negative feelings.
I got to see my son over the weekend. It is amazing how much different from their first year to their second. As freshman, everything is new. It is understood, however, the impact of being a freshman is clearly not understood.
This year he has a better handle on classes, has established himself with his teammates and has to a degree accepted a leadership role on the field.
I went to a scrimage held at a jc in the middle of Texas. He was very relaxed knowing that his role on the team was pretty much assured. Being relax was very noticible in his at-bats as he crushed the ball a couple of times.
The best part was getting to spend 3 hours each way with him driving across Texas, a first for us both. In spite of getting lost, we found our way and had a terrific father/son experience.
This year he has a better handle on classes, has established himself with his teammates and has to a degree accepted a leadership role on the field.
I went to a scrimage held at a jc in the middle of Texas. He was very relaxed knowing that his role on the team was pretty much assured. Being relax was very noticible in his at-bats as he crushed the ball a couple of times.
The best part was getting to spend 3 hours each way with him driving across Texas, a first for us both. In spite of getting lost, we found our way and had a terrific father/son experience.
Well - we survived our first Thanksgiving with our college freshman home! It was great seeing our son home for the first time this fall. I was actually really excited about Thanksgiving for the first time in a long time with him coming home.
We also had a blast listening to him and his other college baseball playing buddies comparing notes on the running, fall workouts,coaches, and players they had met. Is there anything more fun than sitting around the kitchen table with a bunch of teenage boys shooting the bull?
On the other hand, we did not enjoy the late nights he had with those buddies and a little different "attitude" - not bad but "do I really have to do that chore because I don't live here anymore"? That got attitude got shut down really fast!
How did your holidays go with your college student home?
We also had a blast listening to him and his other college baseball playing buddies comparing notes on the running, fall workouts,coaches, and players they had met. Is there anything more fun than sitting around the kitchen table with a bunch of teenage boys shooting the bull?
On the other hand, we did not enjoy the late nights he had with those buddies and a little different "attitude" - not bad but "do I really have to do that chore because I don't live here anymore"? That got attitude got shut down really fast!
How did your holidays go with your college student home?