Stat Program

Why???

Sit and enjoy the game !!!

I don't know about Turbostats but I use BallStat and it gives me everything I need and the price can't be beat (I believe it's still only $20.00)

I've used Statcrew, I think they do every sport. once you get used to it its very simple, and the shortcuts r handy.

TurboStats is unquestionably the leader as far as Windows stats programs.

Kind of depends on what you really want.

TurboStats itself is just a stats program. You have to enter the stats. If that's all you're after, BallStat might be a better choice. And you absolutely wouldn't want TAS (StatCrew's product).

If you want to SCORE the game on the computer, you have numerous choices.
If you want to import the game into TurboStats, you pretty much have to use their pda companion, ScoreKeeper. If you buy the "Pro Series" you get TurboStats itself, ScoreKeeper and TurboScout. Together they make a pretty nice package and it's still cheaper than TAS.

My personal experience is that Baseball Scorebook is the best computer scoring program, it's also what John Dewan's Baseball Information Systems uses.
They also make a pda version. They do NOT have a comprehensive "stats" program to go along with it.

ScorePAD is probably the slickest pda scoring program and my personal opinion is that both it and Baseball Scorebook's pda version are better than TurboStats' ScoreKeeper, BUT I use ScoreKeeper because I have my son's entire career in TurboStats and don't want to try to move all the stats to some other program.

Actually I score the games on PAPER, using Alex Reisner's Situational system, then re-enter the game in ScoreKeeper to import into TurboStats.

TAS, made by StatCrew is a nice product, with great support and is used by most colleges, I believe and some independent pro leagues. I think it used to be used by most of the minor leagues but most have moved to the same program that MLB uses.
It is a scoring program, which also produces tons of stats. It also can be used to send "live" stats to the web. It is much more expensive than the others mentioned. Last I checked the scoring program was $350 and the live stats addon was another ~$150. I would NOT recommend it for a "personal" use. It is also still a DOS-based program. It is totally keyboard input. It takes a little bit more to learn how to use, as you have to enter plays in a meaningful way, which can sometimes be tricky.

So, again, if you tell us exactly what you're after, I might be able to offer more advice. Are you looking for something for personal use, for a school, etc.?

Dan

I used TurboStats 14 and the companion product, Scorekeeper 7.x, this past spring and summer . . . about 90 games.

Scoring the games real-time on Scorekeeper (using my Palm T!X) is great, except when you make a mistake and have to back track. The game keeps moving while you struggle to catch up. It helps that a friend keeps his book on paper.

Learning how to PROPERLY score on Scorekeeper is the biggest hurdle. Complex plays involving numerous errors can be fun to score. Once you get the hang of it though, the program is GREAT!

Our high school team loves the comprehensive stats that it produces . . . all of which are maintained on a website for viewing by the coaches.

BTW, I don't record pitch locations, but the program allows it.

That's why I score "live" on paper! I've tried both and have come to the position that I do not advise/like/etc. scoring live on a computer. No matter how good you and the program are, NONE of them allow the flexibility (coding defensive gems, etc.) that paper does.

Last summer I kept score for a local independent league team and they were using TAS (The Automated Scorebook, by Statcrew) - so I had to score live on the computer, but I kept my book right along side it and a few times did have to resort to backing out and catching up on TAS. Would've been lost without the book!

By the way, since Scorekeeper is a GUI program and TAS is dos, I promise you scoring complex plays in Scorekeeper is MUCH easier to do/learn than in TAS!
But they're both easy once you get the hang of them.

I have a palm already, have used turbo stats and liked it, just wondered what else was out there. I coach HS, want to be able to have the numbers, spray charts, etc.

I've used a score book the last 4 years and then entered the results into a computer program later in the week. I spent several hours entering the results. I would like to move to live scoring on a PDA. My son is a Freshman in HS. I mainly score for the fun of it. It keeps me in the game.

Any recommendations on a program and PDA? I currently don't have a PDA. I intend to buy a used one from eBay just for scoring.

I use Turbo Stats. Tried numerous times last season to get technical support from them and never heard a word back from them. Not a word.

I tried turbo stats and it is a cool program.The issue is it will take a while for it to become second nature. If you make a mistake it can be corrected but the game continues and you end up getting behind and it becomes confusing. Believe me once you fall behind it is very hard to catch up. The few games I tried it I spent more time worrying about inputing the info than I did enjoying the game. Get an old school score book a good pencil and have fun watching the game.

Do the PDA's have an issue with screen brightness during very sunny days? Would ou recommend a particular PDA?

Yes difficult on sunny days. They are all the same.

I hate to disagree with all of you, but K-ForCE is without a doubt the best program available today. PDA, iPhone/iPod Touch, Windows et cetera - it looks like a paper score sheet on purpose - so you don't have a new language to learn... 20 mins and you're good to go... Not to mention, it has the capabilities to speak to a server and provide online stats in real time, with Game Tracker - the only system outside of MLB and NCAA that can do this. No other scoring app has anything on K-ForCE. Check it out. Available in iTunes Store for $19.95.

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Originally posted by pointstreak:
I hate to disagree with all of you, but K-ForCE is without a doubt the best program available today. PDA, iPhone/iPod Touch, Windows et cetera - it looks like a paper score sheet on purpose - so you don't have a new language to learn... 20 mins and you're good to go... Not to mention, it has the capabilities to speak to a server and provide online stats in real time, with Game Tracker - the only system outside of MLB and NCAA that can do this. No other scoring app has anything on K-ForCE. Check it out. Available in iTunes Store for $19.95.

do you have a link??

yes i do

http://rakonza.com/Pointstreak_K-ForCE_iPhone.aspx

you will see a listing of the apps on the left of the page - for the different platforms - ie - iPhone, PC, Pocket PC.....

maybe i'm not seeing it, is there a version of a palm pilot tungsten e2

would the pocket pc 2002/2003 work i wonder? might be worth a call to them for specifics...

No No NO!
The Palm Pilot is a PALM OS device,
totally different than the Pocket PC OS.

There are numerous scoring apps available for the Palm, but I'm pretty sure there is NOT a palm version of k-force.

Dan

good call Dan. Now that you say Palm OS, I remember a friend telling me K-ForCE doesn't support that platform.

Thanks.

I'm deciding between stat trak and turbo stat for my fall league, I have used no software previously. Anyone used both?

sb - are you providing a stat platform for the whole league or just your team?