State champs stripped of 22 regular season wins

This is the section that really got me...

Fernandez told the Sun Sentinel on Tuesday that Archbishop McCarthy elected to let him and the rest of the baseball staff go two weeks ago, and he believes they used the rule violations as an excuse.

“I kind of knew it was coming, because we got no support from the school. … We built something so special. It hurts the kids. It’ll be like a YMCA or intramural program now.”

The rule violations are an excuse? They don't want to deal with what winning brings? We built something special? 

Holy crap the amount of delusion is amazing.

So basically the school should have supported us cheating, because we won. 

I went to the "U". Baseball was always pretty clean for the most part. Lazer Collazo was an anomaly. If their were steroids, they did not start until after 1993 when I was gone. I am afraid starting with next year's class (2018), the Sagaro "MVP/Bandito" era begins and my support goes away. My son played travel ball against the Banditos and MVP before they merged. Believe me, where there is smoke there is fire. The stories regarding both organizations are endless and anything you hear and may question, lean towards it being true.  Here is a good and recent one about Bandito Select Head Coach Ray DeLeon: 

https://www.dallasnews.com/new...eing-tournament-waco

Sagaro took a Cali kid and moved him to Florida (Albert Hernandez, top PG 2020) when he was in 8th grade and housed him in one of his apartments just to play with MVP. He now plays for McCarthy. Had kids fly in from Puerto Rico to play USSSA events all the time.  By the way, his 5' 4" son is done growing. Sagaro is about 5' 2" in lifts.

I'm trying to figure out how the FHSAA justified not having them vacate the Florida state championship.

I get none of the kids declared ineligible played in the state tournament.  But does Florida have an open tournament where every team gets in?  If not, how does a team that has forfeited most of its regular season games even make the playoffs?  In every division in SoCal, if you do not have a winning record, you do not make the playoffs. 

So regardless of whether ineligible kids played in the postseason or not, the vacated wins should have convinced the committee that winning the state would have been impossible, and thus, that title should be forfeited.

I know we get a lot of flak in California for being "odd" but Florida sure seems to give us a run for the money!

Backstop22 posted:

I'm trying to figure out how the FHSAA justified not having them vacate the Florida state championship.

 

 

I think it was a case of there not being a rule that would allow the state to take away victories in games where there wasn't a rule violation.  Apparently the state rules don't allow for a punitive type punishment aside from fines.

In a practical sense, I guess you could strip them of the title - but then you would have to go without a state champ.  It's not like you could just give it to the runner up, because if McCarthy isn't in the playoffs the whole bracket could have ended up differently.

In most Florida districts the top 4 teams play for the district championship, then the winner and runner up advance to regional play against the winner and runner up from a neighboring district. Your district record is actually irrelevant aside from deciding seeding. In theory if there are only 4 teams in your district, you could make the playoffs with no wins, and go on a streak to eventually win the state.   There were 5 teams in McCarthy's district (6A district 15). So, yes I guess they could have not even made the playoffs, if the state had moved before the playoffs began.

If McCarthy wasn't in the playoffs, I believe American Heritage - which was just as stacked, would have had a real good chance of winning the state.

Backstop22 posted:

 

I know we get a lot of flak in California for being "odd" but Florida sure seems to give us a run for the money!

 

Yeah, year round sunshine attracts the Whack-a-doos . . . 

Nuke83 posted:

Backstop22 posted:

 

I know we get a lot of flak in California for being "odd" but Florida sure seems to give us a run for the money!

 

Yeah, year round sunshine attracts the Whack-a-doos . . . 

Yes, some big tyne whack-a-doos in Florida for sure!

I guess I'm just a sick individual, but I looked up the kids in the Moneyball article  on PG to see how they turned out. 

Nonamedad posted:

I guess I'm just a sick individual, but I looked up the kids in the Moneyball article  on PG to see how they turned out. 

Well, what did you find?

Tough to peak at 12.