Stats

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Originally posted by rdfrazier:
This is a continuation of the discussion regarding pitching decisions. If a pitcher starts a game and his team trails the whole way, that pitcher gets the loss no matter how many outs he recorded ?

Also a note to TR. I understand that it's a team game but aside from being at the game or knowing the final score, stats are all we have to know how individuals performed. The reason I made the post is because I want to get it right. My son doesn't pitch so there's no vested interest on my part. I fully undersand that HS books can be "cooked" but that's dishonest. I strive to get the stats that I record for our team correct.

I believe the Pitcher on the mound when the FINAL go ahead run scores will get the loss.

quote:

Originally posted by rdfrazier:
This is a continuation of the discussion regarding pitching decisions. If a pitcher starts a game and his team trails the whole way, that pitcher gets the loss no matter how many outs he recorded ?

Even if the pitcher's team loses by an unearned run in a 1-0 game, I'm pretty sure that is correct. Did you have another outcome in mind?

The pitcher who is charged with the run that gives the winning team a lead that it never relinquishes is the losing pitcher.

It doesn't matter if he gets 0 outs, 1 out, or 100 outs. If he gives up the go-ahead run and after that there are no more ties or lead changes, he gets the L.

This is different from assessing it according to the "last winning run" that someone suggested above. Consider this example:

P1 starts. He goes 5 innings and leaves trailing 4-3. P2 gives up 3 in the 6th to make it 7-3. Their team scores 3 in the top of the 7th. In this example, P1 is the losing pitcher, not P2. I have heard people say that P2 should be the loser since he gave up the winning margin. You can argue against the rule book if you want, but the rule book says P1 is the loser, and it is not a grey area in the rules.

Here's another example. P1 pitches 4 2/3 innings and leaves leading 4-2 but the bases are loaded when he is pulled. P2 comes on and gives up a grand slam. The final score is 6-4. P1 is the loser because the go-ahead run in this example was his runner that he left on first base. The facts that the lead was relinquished with P2 on the mound, or due to P2 giving up a homer, are irrelevant.

Usually the erronneous arguments are advanced by P1's father, who is looking to pin the loss on someone else he considers more deserving. And it's not unusual at all to see a scorekeeper get it wrong in indulging dear old dad. But it's still wrong, and if you want to get it right you have to follow the rules.

Midlo is correct. I wouldn't get too caught up in W-Ls or any other stat.
Stats only tell a very small part of the story. One guy I know was drafted withy a 2-9 nrecord and a 9+ era in a weak conference.
Stats are interesting to look at but really don't amount to much.