Ive notices here in Texas that some of the schools show their stats on MaxPreps, some do not. Is there another resource ? How do they know who are the district leaders etc?
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Same thing here in IL. Here at least if the coaches/schools don't report theres nothing to post.Here our 20plus yr. HC. thinks max preps has some guy following team and posting stats/game results.Amazing.I think a parent can report but needs to lay out a relationship of some sort (with school support possibly) with max preps
We have some schools that keep stats but only post them after the season -- apparently, they don't want their opponents to gain any advantage during the season.
MaxPreps will take direct feeds from GameChanger. If the school is using GC, then you'll likely see MaxPreps reflect current stats. Otherwise, it's up to the school/team to update them.
Here in Colorado, it's mandatory. There had been some schools who weren't very good about it, but the state association, because of the new pitch count limits, got pretty serious about it this year. Stats, including pitch counts, have to be uploaded within 24 hours of the end of a game.
Now, our coach uses iscore rather than GC because he worries about the spray charts. I tried to convince him that you can set it up to restrict access to stats and spray charts, but I'm not sure if that's possible while still linking it to MaxPreps. I'm actually quite shocked by how many teams you can get spray charts on through MaxPreps. I actually discussed with him an easy way to handle it. Simply have the SK enter where any batted balls go wrong - long singles to left become ground balls through the hole at F2.
Dannyball17 posted:
Ive notices here in Texas that some of the schools show their stats on MaxPreps, some do not. Is there another resource ? How do they know who are the district leaders etc?
The MP stats can be sent in by anyone who has permission to do so, and that can happen in different ways. The VHC only has to contact MP and s/he’ll be given a password. S/he can give that password to anyone or can set up someone else with a password to be able to do the stats for any or all of the teams, i.e. Fr, JV, V. For several years now, the final game score only has been sent in by the officials.
The stat leaders, no matter if it’s national, state, section, league or whatever are generated from only the stats that have been input. Something to remember is, since there’s no MP requirement to send in the stats and they only use stats which have been input, a player who has only played in 1 game will be in there with a player who has played 20. Usually though, there’s a minimum number of something that is required, like ABs or IPs.
roothog66 posted:
Here in Colorado, it's mandatory. There had been some schools who weren't very good about it, but the state association, because of the new pitch count limits, got pretty serious about it this year. Stats, including pitch counts, have to be uploaded within 24 hours of the end of a game.
So howz it goin’ in Co with the # of pitches getting reported?
Now, our coach uses iscore rather than GC because he worries about the spray charts. I tried to convince him that you can set it up to restrict access to stats and spray charts, but I'm not sure if that's possible while still linking it to MaxPreps. I'm actually quite shocked by how many teams you can get spray charts on through MaxPreps. I actually discussed with him an easy way to handle it. Simply have the SK enter where any batted balls go wrong - long singles to left become ground balls through the hole at F2.
This is only my opinion, but it sure seems to me kinda stupid to enter the information wrong in order to keep someone else from getting it. It would certainly do that, but it would also mean the information wouldn’t be any good for the team doing it.
I understand the fears of giving the other team an advantage, but I wonder how much of an advantage it really would be giving them the MP stats. What would those stats tell a coach? He wouldn’t know from looking at the starting lineup? Now scatter charts are something different. I can see how they certainly could help a coach set his/her defense, but how many coaches will take the time to dig up an opponent’s scatter charts for anything other than some kind of post season game? the reason I say that is knowing most coaches don’t have the time to analyze their own team’s stats, let alone all the teams they play.
Stats4Gnats posted:roothog66 posted:
Here in Colorado, it's mandatory. There had been some schools who weren't very good about it, but the state association, because of the new pitch count limits, got pretty serious about it this year. Stats, including pitch counts, have to be uploaded within 24 hours of the end of a game.
So howz it goin’ in Co with the # of pitches getting reported?
Now, our coach uses iscore rather than GC because he worries about the spray charts. I tried to convince him that you can set it up to restrict access to stats and spray charts, but I'm not sure if that's possible while still linking it to MaxPreps. I'm actually quite shocked by how many teams you can get spray charts on through MaxPreps. I actually discussed with him an easy way to handle it. Simply have the SK enter where any batted balls go wrong - long singles to left become ground balls through the hole at F2.
This is only my opinion, but it sure seems to me kinda stupid to enter the information wrong in order to keep someone else from getting it. It would certainly do that, but it would also mean the information wouldn’t be any good for the team doing it.
I understand the fears of giving the other team an advantage, but I wonder how much of an advantage it really would be giving them the MP stats. What would those stats tell a coach? He wouldn’t know from looking at the starting lineup? Now scatter charts are something different. I can see how they certainly could help a coach set his/her defense, but how many coaches will take the time to dig up an opponent’s scatter charts for anything other than some kind of post season game? the reason I say that is knowing most coaches don’t have the time to analyze their own team’s stats, let alone all the teams they play.
Actually, our coach does dig up the spray charts and that's the only information I'm suggesting he fudge. A single would still be a single on the stats, but now a double to left might show up as a double to right on the spray charts. He'll show up at the game with 3+ years worth of spray charts on a kid. I always found it to be very valuable, defensively. Because he uses them so much himself, he worries about giving another team that info. But to be clear, I didn't suggest changing actual statistics.
CHSAA sort of stepped up with accountability. After the game, the teams SK's have to compare counts, a sheet has to be signed, the pc's have to be entered with stats on Max Preps within 24 hours and the sheet is sent in to CHSAA. Of course, they haven't addressed what to do in case the teams sk's disagree on the counts.
Our coaches do not publish stats (coach use only). The reasoning has to do with people questioning authority when it's obvious (at least on the book) that the players on the field can't hit. All players already know who can and can't hit without the book. He is trying to prevent people from questioning his authority and judgement. When you have 35 to choose from and you don't want the stats of the starters being published.
Iowa requires stats posted to quikstats. Nice when you are putting together a resume. We do notice that teams that lose a lot are less prompt in their postings.
roothog66 posted:
Actually, our coach does dig up the spray charts and that's the only information I'm suggesting he fudge. A single would still be a single on the stats, but now a double to left might show up as a double to right on the spray charts. He'll show up at the game with 3+ years worth of spray charts on a kid. I always found it to be very valuable, defensively. Because he uses them so much himself, he worries about giving another team that info. But to be clear, I didn't suggest changing actual statistics.
I don’t doubt a spray chart’s value for setting defenses, but what you said proves how useless those charts would be for your own team. 
I’ve been in many a similar discussion, and invariably it comes out that using a spray chart to set defenses has a great deal to do with how a player is being pitched, which means looking at the chart without considering the pitch type and location doesn’t really give a very accurate picture of what’s going on.
CHSAA sort of stepped up with accountability. After the game, the teams SK's have to compare counts, a sheet has to be signed, the pc's have to be entered with stats on Max Preps within 24 hours and the sheet is sent in to CHSAA. Of course, they haven't addressed what to do in case the teams sk's disagree on the counts.
Glad to hear they’ve “refined” the process. I’m still buggin’ the MP people to come up with a way to look at the number of pitches thrown other than to look up every pitcher and every game thrown.
2forU posted:
Our coaches do not publish stats (coach use only). The reasoning has to do with people questioning authority when it's obvious (at least on the book) that the players on the field can't hit. All players already know who can and can't hit without the book. He is trying to prevent people from questioning his authority and judgement. When you have 35 to choose from and you don't want the stats of the starters being published.
I’ve seen and heard that rationalization many times before, and it always fails the smell test. 
If people are questioning his judgment, my bet is it’s because he has failed to explain how he exercises that judgement. IOW, if he says he’s going to put the best hitters in the lineup, he needs to give some kind of description as to how he determines who the best hitters are, and it’s the same with fielders and pitchers. That way everyone can at least see how the process works. If he wants to hide the stats, chances are they don’t support his judgment.
If it’s his authority that’s being questioned, he’s got a major problem that hiding the stats isn’t going to solve.
IowaMom23,
Don't focus on stats when putting together a resume. College coaches usually don't pay a lot of attention to the stats, because they often don't know the quality of competition against whom your son was playing when he compiled those stats.
Focus much more on his skill set, his attributes, and the qualities that he brings to the table to help their team win.
I've never understood the whole "I'm not posting stats because I don't want it used against me" angle. Last time I checked a good rule of thumb to go with would be
1. Probably good speed, makes contact, works counts, gets on good chance to steal
2. Good bat control for hit / run or bunt, good speed
3. Probably best hitter, above normal in power
4. Another best hitter with power
5. Probably "weakest" of the three best hitters, puts ball in play more, works counts
6. A weaker version of #2 hitter but can still hurt you
7 - 9. Weakest hitters but never know what you will get. Best bet is to challenge them until you know what you are dealing with. Playing good teams they will be tougher outs. Playing weaker teams then probably get by with fastballs.
I don't care what your stats say this is roughly how each lineup is constructed. You're going to pitch each spot in the lineup differently regardless of what their stats say. Plus, if you're competing at 100% then you're going to control most of what's going on.
I don't see the point in spray charts UNLESS you see a kid 10 times or more in a season. The level of ability of the pitcher and location being pitched will dictate a lot. Also, if you're tracking a kid as a freshman through senior year then how do you account for the change in strength / maturation of a kid who you chart as a freshman versus what they are as a senior. Especially if you only see them 8 times a year.
Stats don't really show much in a short season like HS except for who deserves trophies at the end of the season.
coach2709 posted:I've never understood the whole "I'm not posting stats because I don't want it used against me" angle. Last time I checked a good rule of thumb to go with would be
1. Probably good speed, makes contact, works counts, gets on good chance to steal
2. Good bat control for hit / run or bunt, good speed
3. Probably best hitter, above normal in power
4. Another best hitter with power
5. Probably "weakest" of the three best hitters, puts ball in play more, works counts
6. A weaker version of #2 hitter but can still hurt you
7 - 9. Weakest hitters but never know what you will get. Best bet is to challenge them until you know what you are dealing with. Playing good teams they will be tougher outs. Playing weaker teams then probably get by with fastballs.
I don't care what your stats say this is roughly how each lineup is constructed. You're going to pitch each spot in the lineup differently regardless of what their stats say. Plus, if you're competing at 100% then you're going to control most of what's going on.
I don't see the point in spray charts UNLESS you see a kid 10 times or more in a season. The level of ability of the pitcher and location being pitched will dictate a lot. Also, if you're tracking a kid as a freshman through senior year then how do you account for the change in strength / maturation of a kid who you chart as a freshman versus what they are as a senior. Especially if you only see them 8 times a year.
Stats don't really show much in a short season like HS except for who deserves trophies at the end of the season.
Agreed about statistics. Spray charts, however, are a different story. They can be quite useful. Not for every batter, but definitely for the ones with enough at bats. At the high school level and below, there are batters who are extremely consistent. Heck, my own son is a prime example. If you looked at his spray charts over the years, you'd know how to play him. He has never hit a ball deep to right field. When he gets a hit to left it is always a Texas Leaguer into short right. He rarely grounds out to second, but consistently pulls balls down the line. I'll also tell you that, today, you aren't limited to high school info, either. there are a lot of Game Changer spray charts available for a kid's summer team. There are seniors we play that I can easily find 500 ab's for covering the past 2-3 years of high school and summer ball.
roothog66 posted:coach2709 posted:I've never understood the whole "I'm not posting stats because I don't want it used against me" angle. Last time I checked a good rule of thumb to go with would be
1. Probably good speed, makes contact, works counts, gets on good chance to steal
2. Good bat control for hit / run or bunt, good speed
3. Probably best hitter, above normal in power
4. Another best hitter with power
5. Probably "weakest" of the three best hitters, puts ball in play more, works counts
6. A weaker version of #2 hitter but can still hurt you
7 - 9. Weakest hitters but never know what you will get. Best bet is to challenge them until you know what you are dealing with. Playing good teams they will be tougher outs. Playing weaker teams then probably get by with fastballs.
I don't care what your stats say this is roughly how each lineup is constructed. You're going to pitch each spot in the lineup differently regardless of what their stats say. Plus, if you're competing at 100% then you're going to control most of what's going on.
I don't see the point in spray charts UNLESS you see a kid 10 times or more in a season. The level of ability of the pitcher and location being pitched will dictate a lot. Also, if you're tracking a kid as a freshman through senior year then how do you account for the change in strength / maturation of a kid who you chart as a freshman versus what they are as a senior. Especially if you only see them 8 times a year.
Stats don't really show much in a short season like HS except for who deserves trophies at the end of the season.
Agreed about statistics. Spray charts, however, are a different story. They can be quite useful. Not for every batter, but definitely for the ones with enough at bats. At the high school level and below, there are batters who are extremely consistent. Heck, my own son is a prime example. If you looked at his spray charts over the years, you'd know how to play him. He has never hit a ball deep to right field. When he gets a hit to left it is always a Texas Leaguer into short right. He rarely grounds out to second, but consistently pulls balls down the line. I'll also tell you that, today, you aren't limited to high school info, either. there are a lot of Game Changer spray charts available for a kid's summer team. There are seniors we play that I can easily find 500 ab's for covering the past 2-3 years of high school and summer ball.
I didn't realize this to be honest but if you can get this information and willing to look for it then yeah you can get enough info to make it worthwhile.