Steriod Testing in High School and False Positives

Has anyone ever seen a list of "over the counter" supplements that can cause the false positive? I am real curious. And since they are saying the test will be ready AFTER footbal season a bit skeptical.

Got to make sure those golfers and cross country runners stay off the juice.

What over the counter stuff (just a couple of examples) would cause this? Or, where are you seeing this?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5007541.html

There have been numerous accounts in the media of false positives with regard to illegal drug and performance enhancing substance testing. I will be seeking legal advise and direction before deciding on how to handle this new legislation. As it stands right now, I will not allow my son to participate in the steroid testing because there is no guarantee on the accuracy of the test results.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/hssports/football/st...testing.3556387.html

another article that provides no real answers to the question but does provoke concerns...

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Originally posted by Shuttle:
There have been numerous accounts in the media of false positives with regard to illegal drug and performance enhancing substance testing. I will be seeking legal advise and direction before deciding on how to handle this new legislation. As it stands right now, I will not allow my son to participate in the steroid testing because there is no guarantee on the accuracy of the test results.

The only problem with this is that if you do not participate in the testing you will not be able to play. As of yesterday, my son has agreed to stop taking his protein shakes, but it really burns me up that these kids are working so hard to legally get stronger and they are being controlled by some idiot politicians and educators that say "Oh well, just don't take anything." What is next, Motrin?

My son's comment was "Everyone is going to fail the test, because everyone takes supplements of one kind or another."
It is going to be a trainwreck, imo.

Can we agree that when we thought the testing would be a good idea, we assumed/hoped that the testing would be "perfect".

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Originally posted by sluggo:

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Originally posted by Shuttle:
There have been numerous accounts in the media of false positives with regard to illegal drug and performance enhancing substance testing. I will be seeking legal advise and direction before deciding on how to handle this new legislation. As it stands right now, I will not allow my son to participate in the steroid testing because there is no guarantee on the accuracy of the test results.

The only problem with this is that if you do not participate in the testing you will not be able to play. As of yesterday, my son has agreed to stop taking his protein shakes, but it really burns me up that these kids are working so hard to legally get stronger and they are being controlled by some idiot politicians and educators that say "Oh well, just don't take anything." What is next, Motrin?

My son's comment was "Everyone is going to fail the test, because everyone takes supplements of one kind or another."
It is going to be a trainwreck, imo.

Understood. There is the private school option, summer ball and then college ball after that. A false positive test would have the same result plus it could negatively effect the prospect for college ball. It is a difficult decision that we might face and everyone will need to make the decision that is best for their own situation.

From Dallas Morning News, 7/17/07 re Mark Cousins, UIL Athletic Coordinator:

"Cousins doesn't worry much about kids unfairly flagged through use of supplements. He thinks the company that ultimately does the testing will account for them.

And if it doesn't?

"We've been preaching about supplements for a number of years," he said.

The message: Just say no to all of them."

IMO, an awfully cavalier attitude. Either they're legal or they aren't. And baseball will bear the brunt of this inexact science, at least at first, if they just have to activate the program sometime during the 2007-08 school year. Football, basketball, etc. will get a pass for '07 and have an extra year to learn from all the false positives ...

I haven't looked at the list --I should-- but if advocare isn't on there (it shouldn't be considering who makes/approves it), I think it'd be wise for more kids to find it. This might be something good to post about in the strength and conditioning forum, to find alternatives and such.

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Originally posted by Dtiger:
I haven't looked at the list --I should-- but if advocare isn't on there (it shouldn't be considering who makes/approves it), I think it'd be wise for more kids to find it. This might be something good to post about in the strength and conditioning forum, to find alternatives and such.

There are some examples of supplements, herbs, etc. on the UIL Steroid Agreement form that will need to be signed by the player and parent/guardian before a student athlete can participate in an UIL sport. Since many of the various supplements on the market are not regulated by the FDA, the ingredients are not always listed on the packaging which is why the UIL recommends that student athletes eliminate supplements completely.

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/forms/pdf/policy/steroid_agreement.pdf

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There have been numerous accounts in the media of false positives with regard to illegal drug and performance enhancing substance testing. I will be seeking legal advise and direction before deciding on how to handle this new legislation. As it stands right now, I will not allow my son to participate in the steroid testing because there is no guarantee on the accuracy of the test results.

This is the slippery slope that so many of you were in favor of supporting. What a shame.

What are the group's collective thoughts on over the counter creatine usage?

creatine can be very beneficial whether trying to get stronger or bigger. the main concern with creatine is young athletes misusing it. if you use creatine, make sure to drink water constantly because the creatine will dehydrate you if you dont. and you have to work out everyday to achieve the best (and safest) effect.

now i have never personally used creatine but my brother and about 99% of the kids at my school do.

I thought KD had some comments on steroid he never posted. Now that testing has or is coming can you share?

Scary to think that a kid who drinks protein shakes that is purchased at GNC can get popped.

I thought I read one quote from a guy advising Austin that items purchased from legitimate stores like GNC etc are not going to throw the tests - but stuff purchased over the internet like Parabol will.

Read the info on Parabol; while it would help my kid there is no way he is drinking that stuff.

creatine should be used in conjunction with the team trainer overseeing the use

Bottom Line is; Do not do "ANYTHING" that enhances growth.

What happened to the days of "HARD" work pays off. It appears some of today's kids and parents are okay with performance enhancement drugs.

I have no experience with creatine. However, I have heard the long term effects are bad. Isn't that the drug that Lyle Alzado(sp?) took?

JMHO !!!

dfw

Creatine is not a DRUG----check it out before you post!!!!!

And it is not technically a performance enhancer

What about NO-2? I have a son wanting to try it. I have always said no to everything but protein shakes but what little I have found on the net does not seem negative.

my brother has been using NO-XPLODE which i dont know if is the same product but i believe that it probly has similar ingredients (whatever NO is). and it has been working for him.

I think when you pee in the bottle and test positive you will "NO"

My suggestion is a lot of research and if there is any doubt about a particular product (testing or what it will do to you) stay away from it

JMHO