I think this phase of the swing is better described , storing of potential energy. Because coil has a circular bias I dont think is necessarily true.
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Stretch?
quote:Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
Stretch?
Stretch happens after storing potential energy. During the (not) uncoil.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:
I think this phase of the swing is better described , storing of potential energy. Because coil has a circular bias I don't think is necessarily true.
I don't agree, the coil I refer to is the coil "around" the rear hip. It's close to a circular action, though the anatomy of the hip won't allow it to be completely circular.
quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:
I don't agree, the coil I refer to is the coil "around" the rear hip. It's close to a circular action, though the anatomy of the hip won't allow it to be completely circular.
Your coil is a way to store potential energy in this phase of the swing. At this particular phase of the swing there are other ways to store potential energy beside coiling, although coiling is the most easy to understand through visual observation.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:
I don't agree, the coil I refer to is the coil "around" the rear hip. It's close to a circular action, though the anatomy of the hip won't allow it to be completely circular.
Your coil is a way to store potential energy in this phase of the swing. At this particular phase of the swing there are other ways to store potential energy beside coiling, although coiling is the most easy to understand through visual observation.
Yes, I suppose it is. Some call it "Gather" rather than "Coil". But there are other points where potential energy is stored, and they're equally important. You need to have all of them to whip.
Coil is only the "visual" description, but it is actually a linear cue that moves the body to store strength. Like cocking a rubber band gun, to give its linear stored potential energy to the whip.
I am looking for a u-tube video with "the move" external rotating the back foot during stride. It makes some sense and I'd like to study it more.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:
I am looking for a u-tube video with "the move" external rotating the back foot during stride. It makes some sense and I'd like to study it more.
Avoid it, you can't coil properly with it, and you can't whip with it.
the move is not part of storing energy. Its part of the release, the uncoil.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:
the move is not part of storing energy. Its part of the release, the uncoil.
No, it isn't. The real move (the one that allows you to whip) is caused by the coil. And then you stretch against that coiled rear hip. Then you "fire", and whip. The move is a push move.
your move is different from my move , lol
Im am taking about the move that happens when the stride takes place and the rear foot will appear to exerternally rotate on then do toe down.
Im am taking about the move that happens when the stride takes place and the rear foot will appear to exerternally rotate on then do toe down.
The Move
This is what I think of when I hear "the move". This is nonsense. You can't get the hands behind and allow the hip to pull. It's not conducive to developing resistance.
This is what I think of when I hear "the move". This is nonsense. You can't get the hands behind and allow the hip to pull. It's not conducive to developing resistance.
What he is doing is good?quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:
The Move
This is what I think of when I hear "the move". This is nonsense. You can't get the hands behind and allow the hip to pull. It's not conducive to developing resistance.
quote:What he is doing is good?
NO, but I wanted to see the back leg movement. It is a correct movement, but for the wrong reason.
Question 1) do you leg lift to coil or 2) coil to leg lift?
quote:Originally posted by NDD:What he is doing is good?quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:
The Move
This is what I think of when I hear "the move". This is nonsense. You can't get the hands behind and allow the hip to pull. It's not conducive to developing resistance.
No, it's probably one of the worst things you can do in hitting. It forces a hard push.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:quote:What he is doing is good?
NO, but I wanted to see the back leg movement. It is a correct movement, but for the wrong reason.
Question 1) do you leg lift to coil or 2) coil to leg lift?
Well, you can do either. And good hitters do both. Kemp has more of a "Forward by coiling" approach, while Adrian Gonzalez lifts his leg with the coil.
go to u tube and search sevin the move..then get a side view of a rod loading and you will see external roation of the rear knee as proof SOMETIMES when the foot slips and looses the coil..the move is good in my opinion..sorry low finish. 
quote:Originally posted by wogdoggy:
go to u tube and search sevin the move..then get a side view of a rod loading and you will see external roation of the rear knee as proof SOMETIMES when the foot slips and looses the coil..the move is good in my opinion..sorry low finish.
It's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. The eversion is caused by the rear hip coiling. I don't believe it's caused by the foot. Rather, it's being caused by the rear femur abducting and external rotation of the pelvic girdle (which causes visual internal rotation).
In my experience, I can't whoosh deep trying to use the foot.
quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:quote:Originally posted by LAball:quote:What he is doing is good?
NO, but I wanted to see the back leg movement. It is a correct movement, but for the wrong reason.
Question 1) do you leg lift to coil or 2) coil to leg lift?
Well, you can do either. And good hitters do both. Kemp has more of a "Forward by coiling" approach, while Adrian Gonzalez lifts his leg with the coil.
No, I dont believe you try do both. Both things happen, but the motive for the movement can only be one or the other, leg lift or coil. Through observation, we see both things happening. But the verbal cue is leg lift, or coil. I believe leg lift is the main issue. We coil to maintain balance for the leg lift.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:quote:Originally posted by Low Finish:quote:Originally posted by LAball:quote:What he is doing is good?
NO, but I wanted to see the back leg movement. It is a correct movement, but for the wrong reason.
Question 1) do you leg lift to coil or 2) coil to leg lift?
Well, you can do either. And good hitters do both. Kemp has more of a "Forward by coiling" approach, while Adrian Gonzalez lifts his leg with the coil.
No, I dont believe you try do both. Both things happen, but the motive for the movement can only be one or the other, leg lift or coil. Through observation, we see both things happening. But the verbal cue is leg lift, or coil. I believe leg lift is the main issue. We coil to maintain balance for the leg lift.
Adrian Gonzalez:
He is absolutely coiling to pick up the lead leg.
Ryan Braun:
Coiling to pick up lead leg.
Matt Kemp:
Coiling forward
Both are seen in good hitters. For learning, I recommend coiling first.
Coiling does not store energy. Storing energy is like the pulling down the head of a catapult. Coiling is like a boat rower putting the oar in the start position, ready to give a bigger push, but needs an outside force to operate. The catapult has all its energy stored and ready to launch without outside force.
