Substitution Rules/Line-up Help

First question:

The fact that a player changes his defensive position does not affect his slot in the batting order. The batting order position must remain the same. Even if a starter leaves and later re-enters (as permitted in NFHS), he can only re-enter into his original batting order slot.

When your P goes to LF, he keeps his spot in the batting order. If your LF goes to P, the DH could remain in the batting order slot. If you bring in a new P, then he is a sub for the former LF. You then have an option: You can either keep the DH in the batting order, hitting for the new P, or you can terminate the DH and let the new P hit for himself. Just be wary, because once you terminate the DH, you can't have it back in that same game.

Second question:

If you're saying you remove your P, as opposed to sending him to LF, then the new LF is the sub for the old P. You can retain your DH to hit for the new LF, or you can terminate the DH and let the new LF hit for himself.

The key to both situations is not to confuse the high school DH, who can be designated to hit for any defensive player, with the pro DH, who can hit only for the pitcher. With the HS DH, essentially you have 8 positions who are in the game fully (i.e., both defensively and offensively), while the 9th position can be split, if you wish, between a defensive player and an offensive player.

Midlo Dad has explained it pretty well but let me add a little more to it. In HS The DH is allowed to bat for any position, not just the pitcher, as already explained. The thing to remember is the DH is considered a starter just like any other position. What this means is he can be subbed for and return just like a defensive player. If he goes to a defensive position the DH is gone for the game and someone has to leave the line-up to allow him a spot to play.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Midlo Dad has explained it pretty well but let me add a little more to it. In HS The DH is allowed to bat for any position, not just the pitcher, as already explained. The thing to remember is the DH is considered a starter just like any other position. What this means is he can be subbed for and return just like a defensive player. If he goes to a defensive position the DH is gone for the game and someone has to leave the line-up to allow him a spot to play.

Isn't the "someone" required to be the position player not in the batting line-up?

Yes.

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The thing to remember is the DH is considered a starter just like any other position. What this means is he can be subbed for and return just like a defensive player.

Michael, does the defensive player whom the DH is batting for also have re-entry eligibility? For example, F2 is DH for F4 (Jones). In 3rd inning, F4 (Jones) is replaced by a Sub1; DH stays in effect. In the 5th inning, can Jones re-enter the game as F4 replacing Sub1 who is taken out of the game (must Sub1 be taken out of the game?)? However, if Sub1 is taken out of the game, he cannot legally re-enter the game as Jones did?

I'm trying to get a good handle on this Fed DH...

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Originally posted by cookie:

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The thing to remember is the DH is considered a starter just like any other position. What this means is he can be subbed for and return just like a defensive player.

Michael, does the defensive player whom the DH is batting for also have re-entry eligibility? For example, F2 is DH for F4 (Jones). In 3rd inning, F4 (Jones) is replaced by a Sub1; DH stays in effect. In the 5th inning, can Jones re-enter the game as F4 replacing Sub1 who is taken out of the game (must Sub1 be taken out of the game?)? However, if Sub1 is taken out of the game, he cannot legally re-enter the game as Jones did?

I'm trying to get a good handle on this Fed DH...

First of all, F2 cannot be DHing for anyone. Once the DH enters the game on defense, the role of DH is terminated for the game.

Any starting player may re-enter the game once. Jones is eligible to re-enter (must be the same spot in the batting order, whether or not he was being DHed for). Since Sub1 was not a starter, once he is removed from the game he cannot re-enter in any capacity (even as a courtesy runner).

"First of all, F2 cannot be DHing for anyone. Once the DH enters the game on defense, the role of DH is terminated for the game."

Thanks Dash, I really meant a batter (Smith, let's say), not F2. (I glad I'm not umpiring at 5:00 am)...

What you said pretty much answered my question. Let me ask one other question regarding Jones in this same situation (whom the DH was batting for). Again, if Jones had been subbed for in the 3rd inning, and now in the 5th inning he enters into the game as a batter, Jones can only sub for the DH (or the DH's sub).

You got it!

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What you said pretty much answered my question. Let me ask one other question regarding Jones in this same situation (whom the DH was batting for). Again, if Jones had been subbed for in the 3rd inning, and now in the 5th inning he enters into the game as a batter, Jones can only sub for the DH (or the DH's sub).

Let me see if I understand what you are saying.
1) Jones is a starter on defense.
2) He is being DHed for in his spot.
3) He is removed for a sub in the third.
4) In the fifth he reenters in his spot.

If all this is correct then the DH isn't affected. He reenters for the sub and plays defense and the DH continues to hit for him.

While all this goes on the DH may be subbed for in his spot and then return with no effect to the DH spot. Let me know if I have read this correctly.

Yes, Michael, that was my first siutation I presented with the defensive starting player (whether he has re-entry rights also).

The second situation was with the DH's defensive starter Jones re-entering the game in the 5th inning as the BATTER. As I understand it, he can only enter on the offense as a batter for the DH (or his sub). Also, Jones' entering the batting position for the DH would effectively eliminate the DH, and the Sub playing F4 would have to be taken out of the game when Jones' team takes the field during the next half inning.

You are correct that it eliminates the DH. However, the DH still has reentry rights because he is a starter. If he reenters he must take Jone's spot and play defense. Cleared that right up, didn't we!