Supplements

Food, the greatest supplement of them all.

So you pretty much are looking for steroids?



Just kidding.Im sure Jon Doyle can help you out.

Dtiger,

Since you are familiar with advocare...

The Post- Workout Recovery shake is was a huge part of me being able to put on 15 lbs. of muscle this summer while playing a rigorous showcase tournament schedule. I never get sore whenever I take the shake immediately after my workout, and it obviously helps to build muscle mass.

Just a suggestion...

brod

That is what I take, along with a pill before work out. Both "promise" shorter time of soreness and increase in muscle mass. I've gained about 4 lbs since I started working out- about 5 weeks (2 workouts a week; sometimes 1 weight, 1 speed).

Whats the name of this pill?It sounds like the real deal

Future- I can't get it to you right now, but I can tell you it's by advocare. I have only taken it once. The amount is 3 pills taken 3 hours before a work out with high amounts of water around and after that time. Also it helps most if on an empty stomach. I will post the name asap-probably tonight.

Guys

Check the NCAA list of banned and not banned supplements because they change the items on the list regularly--- for instance RED BULL energy drink made the list recently

Go to NCAA.org and enter banned supplementds in the search box

Be careful that over the counter supplements may contain ingredients that are banned by the NCAA---the supplement itself may not be banned but one or two of the ingredients might be

Do your homework guys

Good call TR, I'm just curious how the NCAA will test for Red Bull and be able to decipher it from other caffeinated beverages.

Upstate

It is the ingredients in the drink particularly the caffeine---but then too much coffee or soda could possibly bring about a bad test--keep in ind that it is not the drink per se but the ingredients

Also watch any medications you may be taking--there may be ingredients in there that are banned

Future- the substance is simply titled Muscle Strength.

TRhit- I understand, and agree that some substances need to be banned, but as I an asthmatic am on a strict rigorous course of medication. There possibly could be a banned substance in my meds... are there exceptions when dealing with these cases?

dtiger........where were you Saturday night? I looked for you!

Dtiger

e had a diver in the Olympics a few years ago who was disqualified because he took asthmatic medicine and it contained ingreients that were banned by the Olympics

I think that if you go thru the situation with your college coach and AD the situation can be remedied based on a one by one situation--a special dispensation shall we say---also the NCAA list of banned substances may not be the same as the Olympics

Does anyone know anything about a supplement called X-Mass? Does it work? Is it a legal supplement? Any info would be appreciated.

OP- I had a school function I was required to attend. I was scheduled to start (pitching) that game so you can imagine my disapointment when I found out I had to miss.

OP (again)- Ask jesuitbaseball about X-mass. My 2 cents- will it add bulk? Yes. Do you necessarily want a lot of that? Up to you. Jesuitbaseball isn't the most flexible person I've ever seen. (Not to diss him... just stating the facts... I give him a hard time about his unorthodox approaches to baseball 24/7 at school)

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Originally posted by Dtiger:
Future- the substance is simply titled Muscle Strength.

TRhit- I understand, and agree that some substances need to be banned, but as I an asthmatic am on a strict rigorous course of medication. There possibly could be a banned substance in my meds... are there exceptions when dealing with these cases?

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thanks

To all the young HS players

Just don't take something because you can buy it over the counter--check it out

As bad as this sounds, these supplements were recommended by my personal trainer... now does this mean if I get caught taking steroids I can blame him? HAHA no, I think not. But you see my point (players and parents), always be like TRhit suggests: pay attention to detail and look out for yourself.

I have a printed list of MLB`s banned substances.If its on that list,its not in my body

To be quite honest,the greatest supplement is hard work and a proper diet.

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Check the NCAA list of banned and not banned supplements because they change the items on the list regularly--- for instance RED BULL energy drink made the list recently

How sad. What a joke. Also, steroids are not hidden in any supplement that you can buy in the store. Online, they are available as loophole drugs (superdrol, pheraplex, etc). The NCAA has some real morons IMO making their lists. How can you ban Red Bull? That means that taurine, caffiene, guarana, etc would all have to be banned in the amounts in a Red Bull. Any chance that this stems from the supposed incident where a college player drank a few RBs before a drug test and failed for caffeine concentrations? Methinks yes.

Oh yeah, synephrine is banned by the NCAA as well. Make sure you stay away from decongestants kiddies.

There must be some people who sit in their office at the NCAA headquarters who sit and watch sensationalist news all day, just hoping to hear of a new supposed isolated health problem arising from a misused dietary supplement.

Any other new ones added to the list lately?

Jsorb good to see you back...

NCAA are not the brightest when it comes to supplements, but sadly everyone has to follow their rules.

If you are getting your supplement/nutrition/health info from mainstream media your knowledge is always going to be waaaaay off base.

Caffeine over a certain dosage is prohibited.

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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
Jsorb good to see you back...

NCAA are not the brightest when it comes to supplements, but sadly everyone has to follow their rules.

If you are getting your supplement/nutrition/health info from mainstream media your knowledge is always going to be waaaaay off base.

Yep. Thanks Jon, good to be back here too. Been real busy with school/worrying about college+baseball/work/football. Is the Red Bull thing true? The NCAA list won't work for me.

Red Bull itself is not banned...Obviously no way to test for that specifically...but yes caffeine at a certain amount, I forget the exact but it's pretty high, is banned.

That's what I thought...hmm. I'd never want to play baseball on that much caffeine. Much better options .

Jsorb, I'd expect that kind of response from someone who anxiously awaits Mind&Muscle every month. Actually while typing this post, I realized I haven't visited there in a long time.

For those considering supplements containing testosterone this might be interesting....


Too much testosterone kills brain cells

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent Wed Sep 27, 8:23 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Too much testosterone can kill brain cells, researchers said on Tuesday in a finding that may help explain why steroid abuse can cause behavior changes like aggressiveness and suicidal tendencies.

Tests on brain cells in lab dishes showed that while a little of the male hormone is good, too much of it causes cells to self-destruct in a process similar to that seen in brain illnesses such as Alzheimer's.
"Too little testosterone is bad, too much is bad but the right amount is perfect," said Barbara Ehrlich of Yale University in Connecticut, who led the study.
Testosterone is key to the development, differentiation and growth of cells and is produced by both men and women, although men produce about 20 times more of the hormone.
It can also be abused, and recent scandals have involved athletes who use the hormone, or steroids that turn into testosterone in the body, for an unfair advantage.
"Other people have shown that high levels of steroid can cause behavioral changes," Ehrlich said in a telephone interview.
"We can show that when you have high levels of steroids, you have high testosterone and that can destroy the nerve cells. We know that when you lose brain cells you lose function."
Ehrlich's team tried the same thing with the "female" hormone estrogen, just to be fair.
"We were surprised, but it actually looks like estrogen is neuroprotective. If anything, there is less cell death in the presence of estrogen," she said.
Writing in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, Ehrlich and colleagues said their findings meant people should think twice about supplementing with testosterone, even if it does build muscle mass and aid recovery after exercise.
"These effects of testosterone on neurons will have long term effects on brain function," they wrote.
"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.
The cells die via a process called apoptosis, also known as cell suicide or programmed cell death.
"Apoptosis is an important thing for the brain -- the brain needs to weed out some of the cells. But when it happens too frequently, you lose too many cells and causes problems."
A similar process is seen in Alzheimer's disease, the most common cause of dementia in the United States, affecting an estimated 4.5 million Americans, and Huntington's disease, another fatal brain illness.
"Our results suggest that the responses to elevated testosterone can be compared with these pathophysiological conditions," the researchers wrote.

No legal supplements contain Testosterone...

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Originally posted by Jon Doyle:
No legal supplements contain Testosterone...

I agree .... it just seems like there is a fine line between legal and non-legal with some of these products. For example, there is a product that is no longer distributed by the manufacturer because it contain pro-hormone products but it is still widely available through the internet. So does that mean the product is legal or illegal? This is definitely not my area of expertise but it seems like there is a pretty wide gray area related to supplements.

I just thought this report was interesting...it made the yahoo headlines and has been posted on several of the body building websites.....

There is certainly a fine line...heres the story in laymens term...In the mid 1900's a chemist wrote a book with hundreds of "steroids" and their exact structures...Only a few ever made it to market...In recent years some cpmpanies have gone back to that book and looked at what compounds had not been manufactured...and to make a long story short profited greatly from this...Thats where the gray area comes in...However, no legal supplement can contain testosterone...but Testosterone is legally available by prescription

Most athltes under the age of 18 do not need supplements besides a multi and maybe a protein powder. Supps wont take the place of a good diet, ever. Creatine may be used by some athletes under 18 if their diet is good, they ar eadvanced and have the ok by parents and doctor (even though most doctors know very little about supps - Thats not a knock at doc's, just a fact)

This article is yet another example of mainstream media cooking up something out of very little. The study is interesting yes, but it was done in lab dishes.

If one relies on mainstreammedia for health/supplement info be prepared for a great deal of misinformation and info that is flat out wrong.

But I think's it's great you posted this info for everyone to read as it may have merit one day, just too early to draw any conclusions...Remember for about 40 years the scientific communities said steroids didnt build muscle when everyone who used them (and those that saw the transformations) knew different...