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Team Composition

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003

An offshoot from another topic.

This is something that has been discussed in the past.

When recruiting a player, especially with limited opportunities, coaches look for players to fill specific roles. 

It's important to understand that coaches have to win to keep their jobs and they have to have their team maintain a specific GPA as well as maintain credits so that the player will more than likely graduate in 4 years. He also doesn't want too many chiefs and not enough indians.

I know that parents often see a player get offered to a specific program and for the life of them can't figure out how he managed to get that opportunity. More than likely that player fills a need the coach is looking for to make up his team. Could be he doesn't see him as a starter, but perhaps his 4.5 HS GPA signals he will be very  valuable to the teams GPA.  One player may have the speed his HR hitter lacks. One shows leadership he needs as team caption ( yes they watch you in the dugout on how you communicate with your teammates). One could be his closer, one could be the back up catcher though he plays 3rd. One has amazing speed for the outfield. You get what I am saying.  Of course nothing is determined until practice is over for fall and spring. 

One coach  (not where he went) showed us a chart they had made, and on that chart showed which current players that they expected to be drafted. My son was one of those who coaches expected to be gone in 3 years, so I suppose that was a role he fulfilled where he went, and I imagine these days this fits heavily into why a lot of the large power 5 programs have so many committs listed.  And don't think for a minute coaches don't tell scouts who they need to be drafted and who they don't!  

So try to keep that in mind when looking over commitments. It's not really fair to list players accomplishments and wonder why, because you really don't know what type of player the coach was looking for.  

Once again, tell your player to work on being the best player he can be in ALL aspects of his HS career and good things will happen.

JMO

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D 2019Dad10,000+ posts

Great post, TPM. A lot of wisdom in there.

There is another factor that may be at play when "parents often see a player get offered to a specific program and for the life of them can't figure out how he managed to get that opportunity" -- it could be that the coach is wrong! That's mostly a joke, but when you look at the number of transfers, the number of D1 dropdowns, etc. it demonstrates that recruiting is no different than any other human endeavor -- mistakes are made! Either way, it does a parent no good to get worked up over it -- and your last paragraph is spot on advice!

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
2019Dad posted:

Great post, TPM. A lot of wisdom in there.

There is another factor that may be at play when "parents often see a player get offered to a specific program and for the life of them can't figure out how he managed to get that opportunity" -- it could be that the coach is wrong! That's mostly a joke, but when you look at the number of transfers, the number of D1 dropdowns, etc. it demonstrates that recruiting is no different than any other human endeavor -- mistakes are made! Either way, it does a parent no good to get worked up over it -- and your last paragraph is spot on advice!

Thanks.  

IMO, it works both ways. The coach offers an opportunity knowing that the player might spend more time than he would like on the bench.  They aren't going to tell you that.  Or in many cases, the player doesnt like the coach, he isn't the same guy who recruited him. In many cases, the player had no clue how hard he had to work to win a starting spot on the roster.

Remember,  most coaches are better at this than we are!

And remember, make sure that you do get to know the HC, he IS the man who determines the line up.

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
3and2Fastball posted:

Some folks fill a role.  Others are the foundation that is built around.

Part of finding the right "fit" is being in a place where you can be a big part of the foundation.  Role players are extremely replaceable.

A valuable post, TPM, thanks for the reminder and insight.

I agree with you.  The right fit means a lot to many different players, make sure you understand what that may mean before you make a decision. 

hshulerhshuler10,000+ posts

Great post!

Some of the best advice that I've ever heard was to never resent what you're trying to attract. Instead, rejoice in the successes of others if that's what you want to happen to you. 

I think it should be celebrated when any kid has an opportunity to further their education with or w/o baseball.

 

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3and2Fastball3and2Fastball10,000+ posts
hshuler posted:

Great post!

Some of the best advice that I've ever heard was to never resent what you're trying to attract. Instead, rejoice in the successes of others if that's what you want to happen to you. 

I think it should be celebrated when any kid had an opportunity to further their education with or w/o baseball.

Yes indeed!!!!

Can I "Like" this one thousand times?

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
hshuler posted:

Great post!

Some of the best advice that I've ever heard was to never resent what you're trying to attract. Instead, rejoice in the successes of others if that's what you want to happen to you. 

I think it should be celebrated when any kid had an opportunity to further their education with or w/o baseball.

 

SHU,

This is what this site is all about!!!!! I often wonder why so few actually congratulate others when the announce their players committment.

TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
wareagle posted:

Just to expand on the "coach got it wrong". Recently looked in depth at the roster of a large SEC school.out of 7 or 8 juniors on the team, everyone of them was a JC transfer. Not a single one had started at the school. Could be any number of things, but if they get it wrong they will find a way to replace them. 

You are right, this coming weekend is a big southeast showcase for eligible juniors attended by many south and southeast programs.

 

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