Amen, Tiger Paw Mom, and good night to all.....
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These are Major League pitchers we are talking about,folks, who makes millions of dollars a year and whose profession it is is to get players out!
BeenThere ...
Or in the case of a team facing Mr Bonds, perhaps setting aside their individual professional purpose and intentionally walking him to advance the cause of the team ... i.e., give them a better shot to win the game ... shows they are indeed "team players" ...
To quote "itsinthegame" ...
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They do whatever is necessary within the rules of the game to help the team win.
Tiger Paw Mom
You are so right that talent does not equal being a team player.
It is just as frustrating for a kid with little talent and a huge heart to watch a kid with tons of talent make a sloppy play and not care. His win/loss record is affected by this player also.
That is the difference between a team sport and individual effort.
No amount of individual effort or talent will win the game in a team sport. The talent and more importantly the effort of all the players comes into play.
Coach 25
Great list
You are so right that talent does not equal being a team player.
It is just as frustrating for a kid with little talent and a huge heart to watch a kid with tons of talent make a sloppy play and not care. His win/loss record is affected by this player also.
That is the difference between a team sport and individual effort.
No amount of individual effort or talent will win the game in a team sport. The talent and more importantly the effort of all the players comes into play.
Coach 25
Great list
babybackmama...As old as I am, I go back to the days when Barry's dad, Bobby, was in the lineup with Mays and Cepeda and McCovey with the Giants.
"Or in the case of a team facing Mr Bonds, perhaps setting aside their individual professional purpose and intentionally walking him to advance the cause of the team ... i.e., give them a better shot to win the game ... shows they are indeed "team players" ..."
If you call that an example of "team players", then I'm happy that no one that I know is one.
To me, that is what I call a professional "sissie (ies)".
"Or in the case of a team facing Mr Bonds, perhaps setting aside their individual professional purpose and intentionally walking him to advance the cause of the team ... i.e., give them a better shot to win the game ... shows they are indeed "team players" ..."
If you call that an example of "team players", then I'm happy that no one that I know is one.
To me, that is what I call a professional "sissie (ies)".
"this is not the right forum to be discussing spiritual beliefs beyond what I have stated"
beyond what you have stated??
are you serious!!??!
beyond what you have stated??
are you serious!!??!
goMo - try reading and following ALL the posts.
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Originally posted by BabyBackMomma:
bbscout ...quote:
was at the game when Barry Bonds hit his 700th home run and when he crossed home plate only the on deck hitter gave him a pat. The guys in the dugout never moved, except for a couple of rookies.
So, is that a reflection on Bonds or his teammates? Is he the team player and they the sour grapes guys, or was his 700th treated so casually because he is not perceived to be a team player?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Whenever you coach a team that takes on a team first concept you will enjoy success that far outweighs it talent level. You will love every practice and bus ride win or lose. And you will cry when the last game of the season is played. Each team that I have coached has had a personality of its own. Some have been team oriented and some of have been a group of individuals. When the players understand that ultimately their own success will hinge on their ability to become a team you will be sucessfull. Some teams have this and find this and some teams never do. From my own experiences the leaders on the team will ultimately make this decision and the rest will follow either team or I. I feel in order to be a really good player you have to have a great deal of pride in your own individual ability work ethic pride in your performance even in practice. Then you must have this same amount of pride in your teamates in order to have a team player. Just my opinion.
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Games are going fine, my team won today........
FO,
I hear ya!
I hear ya!
Teacherman-
I've coached basketball for many years, and I've had good success. I also played collegiate basketball and baseball, as well as playing in the minors. There's my resume...top it, or shut it.
Now, on to the important matters....
BigHit- I respect what you are saying, and I understand. I didn't mean to say that football and basketball are NOT team games...just that I think a sport in which you must rely on everyone on every play makes baseball different and in my opinion better. I know that all team members have value, but that doesn't mean I HAVE to rely on them too much. For example, a QB who hands off all game doesn't have to have a great arm, great feet, or a whole lot of athleticism...he can hand it off to someone who has talent and watch him carry the team to a title. Can't do that in baseball. If the ball is hit, ANYONE is fair game to field it, and I can't call a timeout to give myself a chance to decide who that ANYONE is going to be because it's out of my hands.
I think we all agree that every team sport has value, and I definitely think that the attitude of the coach is the key to creating the right atmosphere that is conducive to a team concept.
I've coached basketball for many years, and I've had good success. I also played collegiate basketball and baseball, as well as playing in the minors. There's my resume...top it, or shut it.
Now, on to the important matters....
BigHit- I respect what you are saying, and I understand. I didn't mean to say that football and basketball are NOT team games...just that I think a sport in which you must rely on everyone on every play makes baseball different and in my opinion better. I know that all team members have value, but that doesn't mean I HAVE to rely on them too much. For example, a QB who hands off all game doesn't have to have a great arm, great feet, or a whole lot of athleticism...he can hand it off to someone who has talent and watch him carry the team to a title. Can't do that in baseball. If the ball is hit, ANYONE is fair game to field it, and I can't call a timeout to give myself a chance to decide who that ANYONE is going to be because it's out of my hands.
I think we all agree that every team sport has value, and I definitely think that the attitude of the coach is the key to creating the right atmosphere that is conducive to a team concept.
TEAM PLAYER
Can we all say DEREK JETER !!!!!!
Can we all say DEREK JETER !!!!!!
When we are born we are automatically a member of a team with our parents as the co-coaches....it is their responsibilty to provide the guidance, stability, emotional, physical and social skills etc. all the while making it a fun time....not unlike the progression from LL through HS and beyond...we, as, team players have the reponsibilty to give in return our very best whether it is in the home or outside...this is the game of LIFE...how successful we are many times depends on the coaching ability that we have received...there are good coaches as well as bad....same as with sports...if the example has been set it is reflected in the type of teamplayer that is produced...as time progresses we then become co-coaches as we travel further down the road of the Life game...that is when we become parents ourselves....not, unlike, when the ability to play a sport is over and a coach is born...skill level has no bearing on whether or not you are a successful team player....some of the weakest players are the epitomy of a team player....
FYI...in November, their is a man, who is being inducted into the local HS Hall of Fame...he announces all the hockey games, rides the bus with the football team, sits on the bench at all the BB games, goes to all the LL through Legion games( where we met him) and yet he has never played one minute of any sport...he was crippled as a child with polio...but has dedicated his entire life to being a member of a team...to me this exemplifies the true meaning of the word
FYI...in November, their is a man, who is being inducted into the local HS Hall of Fame...he announces all the hockey games, rides the bus with the football team, sits on the bench at all the BB games, goes to all the LL through Legion games( where we met him) and yet he has never played one minute of any sport...he was crippled as a child with polio...but has dedicated his entire life to being a member of a team...to me this exemplifies the true meaning of the word