Tebow

RJM posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

Is there some rule saying that 30 year olds must be on a AAA roster?

It's kind of an unwritten rule of development once 27 and in AA it's, " See ya, enjoy the rest of your life."

I know the Seadogs (Red Sox AA) have a 27 year old. But they had huge holes in their roster, a second consecutive last place season and decreasing crowds. Tavares hit .335. He was needed. He was actually sent down from AAA when there wasn't room for him.. He's a career AAAA player at best.

AAAA - A lifer AAA player who goes up and down from AAA with occasional two week roster filler stints in MLB when someone hits the DL. He gets released every couple of years. But he always finds a new AAA home until he's in his 30's. Then they go home or become MiLB coaches.

I was not aware of these unwritten rules.   I was aware that 26 years old is supposed to be prime age for athletic ability and mental ability to meet.  I was also aware that clubs sign people to help the big team, not be lifer AA players.

So if 26 is the prime of an athlete's career if the player can't get by AA ball by the time he's 27 he's not much of a prospect. If a player can't get moved up to AAA he gets caught from behind by younger prospects. The average AA player is 24.5 years old. The average age in AAA is 27. AAA includes ex MLBers in their 30's hoping for one more shot.

I will stipulate that tebow is older than 24.5.

The Red Sox signed Rusney Castillo for 72M at 26. At 28 they consider him a failure becauses he's at AAA. They're trying to unload him now. Of course no one wants his contact. This isn't a game to start late. Those who do must move quickly to the majors.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com...sp?P=rusney-castillo

Ron LeFlore was signed at 25. He went from A ball to the majors in one year.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com...le.asp?P=ron-leflore

Last night watching the Red Sox game Dave O'Brien (announcer) said Yoan Mocada expected to go straight to the majors when he was signed like many other Cuban players. He said since he's learned you have to pay your dues, prove yourself and it's hard. Thus is coming from one of the top prospects in baseball. Not some guy who's been away from the game for ten years.

TE, you need to familiarize yourself on how the system works.  The average time that it takes to develop a player is 4 years, HS players 5, thus the reason for protecting players after 4 years if they haven't already made the ML roster.  College drafted players have to hustle, their window of opportunity  is a smaller window.  Some players go straight to MLB  from AA, but that unusual in most cases.  Then there are the phenomenons tha we hear about but Tim Tebow is not a phenom.  He is an older guy who may  be in better physical shape but that doesn't mean he can be successful and yeah chances it may appear he is better, but realistically he would be a man, playing at 30 against players who are still kids.

Pretty sad if this is the way MLB has to sell tickets these days.

 

Yeah, I've looked over that stuff a couple of times, but since we've never HAD to deal with all of that I forget all of the byzantine rules involved.   I would imagine, though, that TT would not have any of those rules pressing against him at this time, since he has not started his playing clock yet.

FWIW, all sports need to sell tickets/merch/TV commercial time, and they use gimmicks and sometimes outright corruption.  

NBA uses corruption in officiating in order to favor teams and players to keep the game more interesting. (The Cavs may well have won in James' final year due to a rigged system.)  And they are no strangers to gimmicks, e.g. Spud Webb.

 MLB tries to promote home runs to sell tickets and make the game interesting.  Even if it means largely turning a blind eye to steroid use.

Football works it's rules to promote offense over defense.  

Hockey allows people to get in fist-fights on the job, for goodness sakes!  Why, it sells tickets and generates interest.

 Don't even get me started on "Throwback Uniforms."

Teaching Elder posted

 Don't even get me started on "Throwback Uniforms."

Trust me I wont.

Spud Webb was talented. The only hype was the dunk contest. He won because he was 5'7" (in the program anyway) and could dunk. Mugsey Bogues was 5'3" and could dunk.

I've heard from a sportwriter who used to cover the Hornets that Bogues could dunk a volleyball. He had the vertical, but his hands were too small to dunk a basketball one handed.

Not to change the subject, but Lebron James in the last three games averaged something like 35 points, 10 assists, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 steals. Two of the three games were at Golden State. Kylie Irving hit the big shot in the final game after James made a block that will be replayed a million times in basketball history.  The NBA didn't do any of the above.

Golden State could have played better, Dramon Green had the greatest game of his career in the final game.  Unfortunately he is a loose cannon. Curry looked intimidated.  I know his wife went on social media saying it was rigged, but the NBA office didn't cause Lebron's numbers or Kyrie's shot to go in.  Golden State had the greatest regular season ever and a 3-1 lead in the series with two of the last three games at home.

How can anyone blame the NBA for what happened?  That is just sour grapes!  They should blame themselves or better yet they should just say Lebron James and Cleveland accomplished the near impossible.

Does anyone think that the NBA office or anyone else on earth thought Golden State would lose three games in a row with two of them at home?

Seems like you can blame Golden State or give credit to Cleveland, but claiming it was rigged is an excuse that doesn't make sense to anyone except maybe a Warrior fan.

 

 

Did Tebow play basketball in high school? Just wondering if this baseball thing doesn't work out...

No, I think he was a bowler. 

I'm no Warriors fan.  I'm not even an NBA fan.  I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.

I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!

He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating.  He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.

The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time.  They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.   

Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports. 

Mookie Betts- State Champ bowler in HS!

There you go!!

Teaching Elder posted:

I'm no Warriors fan.  I'm not even an NBA fan.  I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.

I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!

He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating.  He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.

The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time.  They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.   

Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports. 

IOW, "I don't know anything about the NBA, but it's totally rigged." Let me guess, you think casino's setup poker hands for action, in-person voter fraud is a thing, and that "man-on-the-street" reporting is completely representative of the opinions/knowledge of people at large.

Consider, how often do extremely unlikely things happen in a world where countless things happen every second? Also, maybe, a little something on Occam's Razor would be good reading.

Mugsy Bogues to poker to Occam's Razor in a conversation about Tim Tebow.

Well, I'll see your Razor and raise you Copernicus.  

jacjacatk posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

I'm no Warriors fan.  I'm not even an NBA fan.  I doubt I've watched an entire NBA game in my life.

I do know, however, that a former referee was sentence to prison because he was able to predict game outcomes based upon who was refereeing particular games!

He also implicated the league for discouraging fouls and especially technical fouls and for allowing certain players outrageous leeway and for encouraging corrupt officiating.  He confirms that the 2002 play offs were rigged.

The NBA has been manipulating things for quitte some time.  They systemically allow guys several extra steps with the ball in order to provide showmanship dunks.   

Ticket/commercial airtime/ merchandise sales drive most all sports. 

IOW, "I don't know anything about the NBA, but it's totally rigged." Let me guess, you think casino's setup poker hands for action, in-person voter fraud is a thing, and that "man-on-the-street" reporting is completely representative of the opinions/knowledge of people at large.

Consider, how often do extremely unlikely things happen in a world where countless things happen every second? Also, maybe, a little something on Occam's Razor would be good reading.

Not sure if serious.

The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.

If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.

The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.

RJM posted:

The NBA isn't rigged. Steph Curry never came back from his injury 100%. His post injury shooting numbers are not good. like most sports leg injuries effect the mechanics all the way up the body. The Warriors still had a chance to close it out at home up 3-1. But Draymon Green acted like an idiot and hurt his team.

If the NBA because if one ref so is rigged so is MLB due to the 1919 White Sox. Let's be real. They're isolated incidents. Tim Donahy rigged some regular season games. No one is paying attention. It would be noticed if a ref tried to rig a finals.

The poster who brought up traveling must not have watched an NBA game in the past five years. The NBA drastically cut down on the three steps to the hoop. Superstars still get preferred calls. But that's true in any sport.

No one is saying that one Ref is rigged.  I am saying that one Ref. gave proof that numerous Refs were rigged.  He has also stated that the NBA was orchestrating it.