Tebow

For me it all comes down to the fact he is 30 years old. How quickly will he have to develop to be able to actually help a team? Doing this at a time in your life when you are on the backside not the front side? Now if he were 20 years old. Big strong athletic kid. Runs well. Yes his swing is stiff and has issues. But there is time to develop it. Yep got to give this kid a shot.

I like Tim. I thought in the right system he could have helped an NFL team win games. But that's just my opinion. He doesn't have the arm to win in the type's of offensive systems NFL teams run. The NFL game and the college game are two entirely different games especially for QB's.

I expect that someone is going to give him a shot. I hope he proves me wrong and lights it up. I certainly wouldn't put any money on that happening. But then again I have been wrong before that's for sure. Why is he doing it? I don't think it has anything to do with trying to stay in the limelight. He could go into politics and be in the limelight. I think it's about the desire to compete at the highest level you can compete. He is driven and misses that. He needs the juice that competition brings. I wish him well I think he's a great guy.

Curious if all you guys thought the same thing about Michael Jordan.  He had absolutely no baseball ability whatsoever....yet everyone loved the fact that he played minor league baseball.  He was like the circus coming to town....the teams played it up for all it was worth.  Tebow isn't looking for that....and he is a much better baseball player than Jordan was when he tried to break into MILB

You don't find too many athletes that don't try to hang on.  It's part of their competitive nature.  I don't have a problem with him giving it his best shot.  In fact, I admire it.  Yes, he has some "unfair advantages" with getting a good look.  Not his fault.  In fact, he largely earned that advantage through his other efforts and accomplishments made elsewhere.

As far as baseball skills, the short links to his BP cuts prior to yesterday's workout provided some element of intrigue.  Of course, we all knew the speed, strength and athleticism were there.  He has proven he can handle being on the big stage.  Then the clips came out from yesterday.  The earlier concerns about hitting decent pitching effectively at this late stage were largely validated.  His defense, arm, throwing motion and glove action appeared quite behind for what he is trying to accomplish.  He is not that good of a hitter or advanced enough to invest in to just be a DH.  I applaud the effort but don't see it happening.  

I don't believe it is his intention, but I think the only reason he may get a shot somewhere is to put more butts in seats for a short period of time.

cabbagedad posted:

 

 but I think the only reason he may get a shot somewhere is to put more butts in seats for a short period of time.

 

I think this is spot on, it is certainly part of reason I don't feel the need to take it seriously.

"He has proven he can handle being on the big stage.  Then the clips came out from yesterday.  The earlier concerns about hitting decent pitching effectively at this late stage were largely validated. " 

A couple of things to note, and I'm not trying to make Tim out to be something that he's not, but.  His BP was pretty darned good.   Put him in most any pro-style workout, and he probably garners some attention.   He can mash.  

Secondly:  Its tough to tell how he did against the live pitching - apparently he did better against Aardsma, but these are former MLB relief pitchers who were also trying to prove themselves to MLB clubs.  From the reports I've read, he hit the ball solidly several times, and had some good licks including a double.    Not too  shabby.  Especially for a guy who's been out of the game for a while and is going against highest level pitchers.

I don't know what happens with Tim.  The cards are stacked against him, I guess. 

Judge for yourself but if this is his current swing not sure who judged this as being very good. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjv7mmjsUg

Buckeye 2015 posted:

....  Tebow isn't looking for that....and he is a much better baseball player than Jordan was when he tried to break into MILB

Maybe you are looking at something I am not but  Jordan at least seemed to have decent hitting mechanics. 

Tebow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjv7mmjsUg  

Jordan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K18K7ue5Ymg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=104Y6jan4E4 

He really shouldn't have faced those guys in a live hitting situation. I'm sure there are a couple of former college pitchers hanging around USC, either on the staff, or still in school that would have been a better fit for him to hit against. You wouldn't expect a high school prospect, or even a college guy, to come out and showcase against major league talent.

On a another note, Tebow keeps getting bigger and more muscular. He's more of a monster now than ever before. Based on his 60 time and the basic eyeball test, he looks more and more like a true NFL fullback/tight end/H-back combo type player.

He definitely has a thing for working out.   I'm not going to bag on him for it though.

I do wonder how much stretching he does.    I wonder if he qualifies as "obese"?  If he weren't so muscular would he be a bit faster?   Would he throw better?

He had a 45 for an arm.  That is about 43 points higher than mine.  I can't throw 90 feet without a 45 degree arc anymore - shoddy labrum and all.  I take that back.  I could throw 90 feet on a line...once.  Then it would be off tot he emergency room.

He was listed at  6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.

His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?

Stafford posted:

His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?

Agreed.  However, Tebow hasn't had the wear & tear of a 162 game season though.  In terms of size & speed, Trout & Puig come to mind.   Tebow is even bigger than them though.   I'm not all saying he has the Baseball skills of Trout or Puig of course.

What was demonstrated was how incredible NFL athletes are. For his size to generate that much power shows how special they are. (as well as how brutal the sport can be on their bodies)  No wonder they last, on average, three years.   Baseball. Meh. He looked like what essentially he was - a linebacker swinging a bat really hard. Can you say bat drag... At some point the extra body mass works against you in baseball, the only similar baseball athlete I can think of is Yasiel Puig, and the Dodgers worked hard for him to get his weight down mostly for durability as others have pointed out.  Tebow's only value on a baseball team would be to hit the ball out of the park, which takes very fine hand eye coordination and 1) He has to demonstrate that he has it at an elite level. 2) He is running out of runway at 29. 3) His timing was very strange, minor league ball is wrapping up in the next couple of weeks. Nice guy, was fun in the media for a week, college football is starting up and all will be forgotten. 

2 days post workout and Tebow is under an umbrella now in Knoxville doing pre-game for SEC Network. Lucky guy gets to see                                APPALACHIAN STATE FOOTBALL tonight in their season opener.

Stafford posted:

2 days post workout and Tebow is under an umbrella now in Knoxville doing pre-game for SEC Network. Lucky guy gets to see                                APPALACHIAN STATE FOOTBALL tonight in their season opener.

Yeah but that is just a hobby!

So far one of the Venezuela teams in the Carribean League and Bridgeport CT, an Indy are calling. Playing in the Carribean League would be a good idea. But not for a Venezuelan team. Indy ball doesn't start until June. I doubt a MLB franchise would sacrifice a top prospect's playing time in fall instructional ball.. 

Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.

Stafford posted:

He was listed at  6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.

His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?

He did run well, but I also read somewhere that they positioned the run so he was running downhill.  Obviously that would skew the times some.  Still impressive though.

The Doctor posted:

Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.

Micro-insult.  

rynoattack posted:

Stafford posted:

He was listed at  6'3" 255 for the baseball workout. Ran a 4.72 40 at the NFL combine at 6'3" 236lbs. Based on his 60 time, he hasn't lost any speed, despite his age and weight gain.

His 60 was really very good for a big, power guy. How many current MLB players at 245lbs or higher can run that time??? I'm guessing a lot of current MLB guys ran sub 6.7 as 18 year olds, and several of the true speed guys ran 6.5 or lower. Have those guys maintained that speed with additional weight gain, age, and the wear and tear of playing a 162 game season?

He did run well, but I also read somewhere that they positioned the run so he was running downhill.  Obviously that would skew the times some.  Still impressive though.

Wasn't it held at USC's field? Do they have that much of a slope?

The Doctor posted:

Fall instructs, winter ball, spring training, extended spring training, and a summer of rookie ball, we should see what the boy"s got by this time next year. My guess would be low A.

My guess is he doesn't get a shot with organized baseball. If he does low A would be where he starts. But with his age the expectation would be rising to AA by the end of the season AA/AAA/Majors the following season or he's cut. He will be 30 next season and 31 the year after. If he's not in the majors by 31 it's a waste of time. If he's a marginal MLBer it's a waste of time versus developing a young player.

i don't see any MLB organizations trying to get the jump over another organization on signing him.