That ball hit Swisher

He was trying to sell it hit him until it scored the runner! The Blue did not see him on the ground.

I haven't been complaining about the umps like many but after the last couple of games, these guys are really having a rough post season.

Where was an infield umpire to make the right call?

Protocol is he needs to ask for help?

And there's your Karma Cruz!

Pile it on, boys, pile it on.

What about Glad's three RBI night so far?

I think 12-1 would be a good final. Keep it up TX!!!!

Homerun04,
The umpire was watching him on the ground, I think after what Jeter did he was not going to buy into the acting.

Hope the Rangers keep crossing the plate. I like the 12-1 score too.

hmmm, not sure who belted it out better - Cruz or Ashley?

Swisher and A-rod are both chodes....

Keep swinginit boyz!!! GED10DaD

edit: add Girardi to that list too!!!

Disclaimer: though I am rooting for the Rangers here, I'll be rooting NL (hopfully SF) in the WS.

From one 8th U.S. Army guy to another..... Rangers v. Giants sounds good to me.


GED10DaD

Looking for Texas to be in their 1st World Series over the best paid team money can buy in MLB.

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Originally posted by GunEmDown10:
Swisher and A-rod are both chodes....

Keep swinginit boyz!!! GED10DaD

edit: add Girardi to that list too!!!

Correct on all points. What a bunch of choke artists. Girardi has to go after this mess. How the Yanks lose to a bunch of nobodies is pathetic. Who is Colby Lewis? Cripes sakes, if Yankees can't beat this guy, they deserve to go home and Girardi should pack his bags for Chicago

A-Roid makes the last out looking!

Rangers are going to hurt themselves in their dog pile!

As they say in Texas...

Yee Haw!!!!!!

What a story for Colby Lewis! Congratulations!



Would be nice for a SF - Texas World Series!

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Originally posted by Homerun04:
He was trying to sell it hit him until it scored the runner! The Blue did not see him on the ground.

The platge ump was staring right at him, but you'll note on the replays the catcher is diving to his right before the ball hit Swisher to make the catch. HIs body screened the HBP from the umpire.

However, it seems to me that U3 should have had a good view and come in hard and fast yelling time. Since he didn't, he obviously didn't see it. I'd be interested in learning why. He should have been watching for a checked swing and if he was, the HBP should have been obvious.

Yea and the catcher is a pretty big guy!

Good to see him do well since moving from SF, it would be fun to watch them play in the WS if SF makes it.

One thing nobody mentioned was that while making the HBP seem like a wild pitch got the Yankees a run, the "act" really cost the Yankees as the following 2B would have scored the run anyway and Swisher would have gotten to third at least and there would have only been one out instead of two since Swisher grounded out. So this time acting backfired.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by Homerun04:
He was trying to sell it hit him until it scored the runner! The Blue did not see him on the ground.

The platge ump was staring right at him, but you'll note on the replays the catcher is diving to his right before the ball hit Swisher to make the catch. HIs body screened the HBP from the umpire.

However, it seems to me that U3 should have had a good view and come in hard and fast yelling time. Since he didn't, he obviously didn't see it. I'd be interested in learning why. He should have been watching for a checked swing and if he was, the HBP should have been obvious.

1. The bounce of the ball should have been a give-away that it hit the batter.

2. The hitters IMMEDIATE reaction should have been a give-away.

3. At the very least U3 should have gotten together and "figured it out" after the play.....too obvious of a call to miss.

4. The good news is , it wasn't NEAR AS BAD of a call as the bunt that was ruled fair last night in the NLCS game.

Best team won this series...best pitching, running, defense and offense. Hands down Texas. Zomby, I waited and I saw...

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
1. The bounce of the ball should have been a give-away that it hit the batter.

2. The hitters IMMEDIATE reaction should have been a give-away.

The hitter's reaction? You mean like Jeter's when he wasn't hit?

You gotta be kidding me. Fortunately not all umpires are as easily "sold."

The bounce of the ball? With the catcher's position as it was he couldn't tell what the ball came off. Sheesh...give the guy a break, the catcher's body blocked his view and he wasn't into guessing. I give him props for that.

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3. At the very least U3 should have gotten together and "figured it out" after the play.....too obvious of a call to miss.

Isn't that what I said? If U3 was watching the pitch travel to the batter, which he should have doing since he has the checked swing call on the LH batter, he should have seen the HBP. The proper mechanic would then have been for him to come in hard and fast and immediately call TIME!

When he didn't do that, I knew he missed it.

The PU gets a pass on this one, but U3 is there if you feel the need to jump on someone.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
1. The bounce of the ball should have been a give-away that it hit the batter.

2. The hitters IMMEDIATE reaction should have been a give-away.

The hitter's reaction? You mean like Jeter's when he wasn't hit?

You gotta be kidding me. Fortunately not all umpires are as easily "sold."

The bounce of the ball? With the catcher's position as it was he couldn't tell what the ball came off. Sheesh...give the guy a break, the catcher's body blocked his view and he wasn't into guessing. I give him props for that.

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3. At the very least U3 should have gotten together and "figured it out" after the play.....too obvious of a call to miss.

Isn't that what I said? If U3 was watching the pitch travel to the batter, which he should have doing since he has the checked swing call on the LH batter, he should have seen the HBP. The proper mechanic would then have been for him to come in hard and fast and immediately call TIME!

When he didn't do that, I knew he missed it.

The PU gets a pass on this one, but U3 is there if you feel the need to jump on someone.

Are you avoiding to address the asinine #4? If so, I don't blame you.

The Yankee "pretenders" are gone. Instead of acting like they were hit, or were not hit, perhaps they will work on situational hitting this off season.

Great job Texas. As Ron Washington said" I love this team, all they do is show up and play baseball."

This is where Swisher, Jeter and A-Rod will go for their off-season workouts....

2010 New York Yankee Off-season Workout Drills

GED10DaD

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
1. The bounce of the ball should have been a give-away that it hit the batter.

2. The hitters IMMEDIATE reaction should have been a give-away.

The hitter's reaction? You mean like Jeter's when he wasn't hit?

You gotta be kidding me. Fortunately not all umpires are as easily "sold."

The bounce of the ball? With the catcher's position as it was he couldn't tell what the ball came off. Sheesh...give the guy a break, the catcher's body blocked his view and he wasn't into guessing. I give him props for that.

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3. At the very least U3 should have gotten together and "figured it out" after the play.....too obvious of a call to miss.

Isn't that what I said? If U3 was watching the pitch travel to the batter, which he should have doing since he has the checked swing call on the LH batter, he should have seen the HBP. The proper mechanic would then have been for him to come in hard and fast and immediately call TIME!

When he didn't do that, I knew he missed it.

The PU gets a pass on this one, but U3 is there if you feel the need to jump on someone.

The expert has spoken, so it must be....the bounce of the ball would be a pitch that is dang near in the batters box take a 90 degree turn in the opposite direction?

Not sure how the umpire was blocked when he sets up above the catcher and he drops to a lower height to block the ball....it's not like he stood up to block it, no way he should be blocked on the ball...

I'm sure you have a reason for that one, and will give him a "pass"

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Originally posted by bsballfan:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
1. The bounce of the ball should have been a give-away that it hit the batter.

2. The hitters IMMEDIATE reaction should have been a give-away.

The hitter's reaction? You mean like Jeter's when he wasn't hit?

You gotta be kidding me. Fortunately not all umpires are as easily "sold."

The bounce of the ball? With the catcher's position as it was he couldn't tell what the ball came off. Sheesh...give the guy a break, the catcher's body blocked his view and he wasn't into guessing. I give him props for that.

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3. At the very least U3 should have gotten together and "figured it out" after the play.....too obvious of a call to miss.

Isn't that what I said? If U3 was watching the pitch travel to the batter, which he should have doing since he has the checked swing call on the LH batter, he should have seen the HBP. The proper mechanic would then have been for him to come in hard and fast and immediately call TIME!

When he didn't do that, I knew he missed it.

The PU gets a pass on this one, but U3 is there if you feel the need to jump on someone.

The expert has spoken, so it must be....the bounce of the ball would be a pitch that is dang near in the batters box take a 90 degree turn in the opposite direction?

Not sure how the umpire was blocked when he sets up above the catcher and he drops to a lower height to block the ball....it's not like he stood up to block it, no way he should be blocked on the ball...

I'm sure you have a reason for that one, and will give him a "pass"

Oh, wow. You just can't avoid getting personal.

I'm not an expert. I just have a lot of experience from to attending proschool to working games to training mechanics and evaluating umpires. Most likely you know a lot more than I do about teaching pitching and fielding or whatever your role is.

Did you see where the ball hit the batter? Tivo the replay and draw a line frmo that point to the the umpire's eyes. The line will pass through the catcher.

As for the bounce, it could have, for all the ump could see, deflected off the catcher's glove. Could umpires don't guess and don't call what they don't see. The default in this case is wild pitch.

If you want to jump an umpire, at least jump the right one. This was U3's call. Since it was a LH batter he's supposed to be following the pitch and watching for a checked swing. Good Lord here's a great opporutnity to legitimately b!tch about an umpire and you're looking in the wrong direction.

Here's the difference: Just because I know more than you abuot coaching/managing doesn't mean that I am always right or your opinion on the subject is not valid.

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
Here's the difference: Just because I know more than you abuot coaching/managing doesn't mean that I am always right or your opinion on the subject is not valid.

You must be new. I've swallowed my share of screw-ups here. The other factor to your complaint is that many of the posts I respond to are made by folks who really don't know umpire mechanics.

While everyone is entitled to an opinion, not all opinons are equal. Would you value your car mechanic's opinion about an internal injury as highly was you would your doctor's?

There are a number of umpires posting here who have as much or more experience. Michael Taylor, PIAA, Dash, Matt13, to name a few. I value each of their opinions very much. I think, from reading his posts, that Matt13 very likely has worked more pro games than I have. I think Matt is the real deal.

My opinion about game strategy is next to worthless compared to the coaches here. I have no experience whatsoever coaching.

So far, your posts have indicated you have do not have any experience in umpire mechanics. If I'm mistaken, enlighten me.

All this said, there are a few coaches here who post thoughtfully and often correctly about umpire matters. Coach 2709 and Coach May are two examples. Read their posts regarding umpires. They can bring their perspective, understand the umpires, agree sometimes and disagree other times without getting personal. It can be done.