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I'm an old timer here, but haven't been around much for the last year (except for a bit of lurking.) I first joined this board when my son was in 8th grade. He played HS, college and then a couple of indy-league pro seasons before getting hurt in the summer of 2014.

He spent six months rehabbing the injury, but it eventually became apparent to him that his shoulder would never be strong enough to swing a bat the speed he needed to swing it. So he decided to hang them up and get a real-world job. 

That meant getting a resume together. Anyone who has been through the D1 baseball process knows you don't exactly spend your summers and off seasons doing internships at Merrill Lynch. He asked me "What do I put on a resume when I haven't done anything for the last 10 years but baseball?

Good question. We talked about what skills he developed over those years that an employer might consider relevant. He had no problem coming up with quite a list. So I said: forget about a resume. Write something that tells a potential employer what those skills are. 

I have pasted below what he came up with. I do this because I think a lot of baseball players find themselves in the same position - trying to hammer the square peg of a baseball player's experiences into the round hole of a traditional resume format. It just doesn't fit. 

I don't know whether it was from the rather unique "resume" he sent out to prospective employers or that they liked the profile of student athlete (lots of employers do) but the response he got was ridiculous. He had a number of options, and ended up in a very good job with a great company, and just recently got a big promotion that moved him to Florida. 

So if and when your son finds himself in the same position, consider something a little different when deciding on what to send prospective employers. Here's what Jeff sent:

Summary and Objective

As long as I can remember, my goal has been to play professional baseball. My life's work has been focused on paying the price to achieve that goal. A shoulder injury last season, which I am still rehabilitating, has caused me to entertain the question of a post-baseball career. 

Because the demands of Division I baseball require year round commitment, my “resume” doesn’t look like that of the typical job-­seeking graduate of a top ­tier university. My summers were spent playing baseball in places like Wilson, North Carolina and Anchorage, Alaska, and therefore I don’t have the employment and intern experiences that typically adorn the resume of a person my age. 

But through my quest to succeed at the highest level of college and professional baseball, I’ve forged a set of skills and abilities that I believe have prepared me well for a career off the baseball field. I offer this description of these skills to help tell the story a more traditional resume couldn't tell. 

Teamwork

When I play pick­-up basketball, I’m not the guy who puts up three­ pointers and holds his finish as he backs away from the net. Even if I could do that, I wouldn’t. I’m the guy who blocks out, crashes boards, and  kicks the ball to someone who actually knows how to shoot. 

Being on teams all my life has taught me to figure out how I can best help the team, and then to give maximum effort in that role. That usually put me in the less glamorous, more physical positions on my teams: nose tackle in football, and catcher in baseball. 

Baseball, my chosen sport, seems like an individual sport until your job is to hit behind the runner to move him up so the next guy can knock him in. The stat line doesn’t reflect it, and most of the fans (and radio announcers) might not know you did your job, but you know. Being a leader on a team is not just being a cheerleader, and it’s not just leading by example. It’s paying the price for the team. 

Talk to any of my coaches through high school and college, or any of my bosses in the jobs I have done, and they will all tell you the same thing: I pay the price, whatever the role, to make the team better. 

Work Ethic

I was never the biggest, fastest, or strongest guy on any of my teams, so working harder is the only way I have ever been able to compete. It’s what I know, and max effort is how I have fun.

I graduated from an elite academic university while playing baseball in one of the toughest conferences in the nation. I was able to do it because of one reason: I work hard. 

It took more than just studying and showing up for practice. I won an award for the effort that I put into the weight room, and made the All­-ACC Academic Team three times. I knew that my approach to everything I did would determine what I got out of the opportunities I had as a student and an athlete at Duke. 

Overcoming Obstacles

Getting the opportunity to play baseball at Duke only got my foot in the doorway of my goals. I came to this brutal realization toward the end of my very difficult freshman year when the head coach told me that I wasn’t in his plans for next year, and that I had until the end of my sophomore fall practice season to prove I was worth a spot on the team. That door was closing quickly. 

I spent that summer and the next fall transforming myself from a weak, overweight liability to the hitter with the fifth best batting average in the Atlantic Coast Conference. It turns out a foot in the door was all I needed because I put in the work to overcome anything else. 

My senior year, I was beat out at the catcher position by a younger player. To get on the field, I knew I would have to again transform myself ­ -  this time into a right fielder – even though I had never played outfield in my life. I had to work hard to increase my speed, and shag thousands of fly balls to read them properly. I became an asset to my team on defense as well as offense. 

Although I was disappointed after graduating from Duke that I didn’t get drafted by a major league club, I wasn’t ready to give up on my dream of playing professional baseball. I was signed by the independent Frontier League's Rockford Aviators, where I have spent two successful seasons. 

My second professional season, however, was cut short by a shoulder injury that I've worked tirelessly to rehabilitate. It is uncertain at this time whether this injury will prove to be career-ending, which is why I am now seriously pursuing post-baseball career opportunities. 

Education

Lake Oswego High School, Lake Oswego, Oregon; Graduated 2009

Duke University, B.A. Political Science; Graduated 2013 

College Summer Baseball: 

2010 Portland Ports- West Coast League, Portland, Oregon

2011 Wilson Tobs- Coastal Plains League. Wilson, North Carolina

2012 Anchorage Glacier Pilots- Alaska Baseball League. Anchorage, Alaska 

Professional Baseball

Rockford Aviators 2013-Present. Frontier League. Rockford, Illinois

Undrafted after my senior year at Duke, I signed with this independent minor league team. In my first season I was second in the league in batting average, and was runner-up in Rookie of the Year voting. My second season was cut short by injury. 

Off-Season Employment:

2013-2014: Nike Portland seasonal athlete

I worked in the downtown Portland Nike store selling shoes and other merchandise in one of Nike’s premium retail outlets. 

2014: Promote Oregon campaign field staff

I walked door-to-door representing an Oregon State House of Representatives candidate and made campaign and polling phone calls on behalf of Promote Oregon.  

Current: UPS driver helper

I aid the driver of the UPS truck primarily delivering packages from the UPS truck to the door.

 

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Very nice resume and well done.  It's the type of resume I've been suggesting to my son though he's still very active in pro baseball.  I wasn't sure if it's the type of resume that might work give what I've heard about what HRs  require  for resumes to get through their high tech resume readers.  

"Baseball, my chosen sport, seems like an individual sport until your job is to hit behind the runner to move him up so the next guy can knock him in. The stat line doesn’t reflect it, and most of the fans (and radio announcers) might not know you did your job, but you know. Being a leader on a team is not just being a cheerleader, and it’s not just leading by example. It’s paying the price for the team."

Thats the kind of wisdom I want my 2019 to live by! He will read this post, and he will let those words shape his future, so add teacher and ambassador of the game to that resume! Awesome words!

Rob:

I know you remember my son; he had the same questions about getting work when he finished with college and baseball. His resume was not all that different from you son's.

I told him that he needed to have a couple of good baseball stories that demonstrated; teamwork, perseverance, sacrifice, determination, etc. when he started interviewing. 

He had a story about hitting a home run against Notre Dame at the AA stadium in San Antonio. He could tell it real well; little D3 Trinity versus the Golden Domers of Notre Dame. He topped it off with a little kid getting the home run ball and getting him to autograph it after the game.

While in Grad school he went for an interview with a real estate company in town. After the interview he called me to let me know he got his first job out of college. I asked him what the interview was like. He told me that they were interested in his experience as a ball player, leadership, time management and determination. Then he told me that the question that got him the job was "tell me about your favorite memory of playing baseball." Out came the Notre Dame story; and the job was his.

What these kids don't realize is that they have done so much more than the kid that goes to school and has all the time in the world to be a student. They have seen more and have real life experiences that employers need and want. 

 

Great story, One of my young guys who quickly has put himself into the fast-track mode for advancement came to me as reference from a supplier I know. He had virtually no work history but was D2 wrestler and had a pretty solid background from school...I don't hire on school performance, grades don't impress me...probably because mine sucked. The kid interviewed well, I know nothing about wrestling (his nickname internally during the interview process became superfly after the professional wrestler) but he seemed to be full of all the intangibles we are looking for. I believe he is one of the better hires we have made in a little while and we are now paying for part of his masters course load he is taking at night.

Employers, at least good ones IMO, look beyond the obvious for good people.

CaCO3Girl posted:

That was a great read, thank you for posting.  What area of work did he get a job in?  Poly sci seems wide open.

Corporate position with UPS.

We often complain about the NCAA but reality is our sons would not have many opportunities without them.  

My son caught the coaching bug, the game is in his blood. Will be interesting to see where it takes him.

roothog66 posted:

That's a fantastic job of turning a weakness in a resume into a strength that makes the kid almost impossible to overlook. Great job of writing. I suggest the kid seriously consider law school. I'm not kidding. That kind of persuasive writing shows a way of thinking very much suited to the profession.

Thanks, root, I have often thought the same about him. But one thing about him - he just despises school. It sounds kind of odd, given his background, but being in a classroom is one of his least favorite things. I've always joked that he just hates being institutionalized. So, while might like to be a lawyer, I doubt he would put up with becoming a lawyer!

Rob,

Sounds like DK. Dreaded going back into the classroom.  Not sure if he would have if he had more than he did to graduate.

I believe that it's his true baseball spirit and training to not be able to be outside or tied to one place everyday.  So I understand how Jeff feels.

Rob Kremer posted:
roothog66 posted:

That's a fantastic job of turning a weakness in a resume into a strength that makes the kid almost impossible to overlook. Great job of writing. I suggest the kid seriously consider law school. I'm not kidding. That kind of persuasive writing shows a way of thinking very much suited to the profession.

Thanks, root, I have often thought the same about him. But one thing about him - he just despises school. It sounds kind of odd, given his background, but being in a classroom is one of his least favorite things. I've always joked that he just hates being institutionalized. So, while might like to be a lawyer, I doubt he would put up with becoming a lawyer!

The feeling is not just limited to baseball players.  I was SOOO done with school!  My work is fascinating, and I love it pretty much every day.  School was following a criteria and path that had very little to do with what I actually wanted to do in life. 

Did I REALLY have to take music appreciation as a mandatory class, was that really necessary for me to work in a lab and to learn how to problem solve?  How about anthropology?  Vital?  I wanted to be out of school and able to choose my own path.

Everything looks great.  He can improve his description of employment duties.  Why not write long paragraphs like the others?  Make that section as long as possible with a heading for every position held, even if it's the same company.  Use different company names if they changed names.  They want to know that you're as passionate about work as you are about baseball.

Dominik85 posted:

BTW do you think it helps if the recruiter is a Baseball fan? Of course you still Need to have the qualifications but if you can connect it might help.

Absolutely it does, I review 50+  resumes every year when we go through our "Recent Grad" recruiting period for federal law enforcement.  In total, our team (not HR specialists but other agents who the candidate would work with)probably gets upwards of 500+ resumes annually.  Obviously I am a baseball guy so seeing the candidate who can balance the educational and athletic workload is nice and I would likely give him a bump because I understand the environment.  But does it push them over the top -- no.  Not everyone sees it the same way.  In fact, I'd say a large percentage of my counterparts would simply move on.  How do I know you say?  Because I have seen them favor the non athlete on many occasion.  The other so called "regular" students who also work full time jobs while going to school, summer internships in their chosen profession, serves in the community, takes a language course over the summers while still exceling at their academics generally score just as well if not better.   Commitment is just that commitment -- whether it be to an athletic endeavor or busting your tail to put yourself through college, the effort is still being expended.  With all that said, I liked the fact it was creative, showed a commitment to a goal, etc. and would have argued to go to round two of evaluations -- beyond that?  ehhhh      

TPM posted:

You know this is just a really great topic started by someone some of us have known for many many years. Its an example of how many come here to really help but it's just a shame this place has gone Sesame Street (juvenile joker).

  

You seem to be one of those parents who have complaints about everything and everyone.  Does anyone, IYO, do anything right?  

lionbaseball posted:
TPM posted:

You know this is just a really great topic started by someone some of us have known for many many years. Its an example of how many come here to really help but it's just a shame this place has gone Sesame Street (juvenile joker).

  

You seem to be one of those parents who have complaints about everything and everyone.  Does anyone, IYO, do anything right?  

Lion baseball, did you just leave that in your copy/paste bin just waiting for the right time?

For those that are confused, TPM posted that exact phrase to lionbaseball the other day.

CaCO3Girl posted:
lionbaseball posted:
TPM posted:

You know this is just a really great topic started by someone some of us have known for many many years. Its an example of how many come here to really help but it's just a shame this place has gone Sesame Street (juvenile joker).

  

You seem to be one of those parents who have complaints about everything and everyone.  Does anyone, IYO, do anything right?  

Lion baseball, did you just leave that in your copy/paste bin just waiting for the right time?

For those that are confused, TPM posted that exact phrase to lionbaseball the other day.

How did you know? 

TPM posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

That was a great read, thank you for posting.  What area of work did he get a job in?  Poly sci seems wide open.

Corporate position with UPS.

We often complain about the NCAA but reality is our sons would not have many opportunities without them.  

My son caught the coaching bug, the game is in his blood. Will be interesting to see where it takes him.

I might be looking for a pitching coach next year if I am able to get the head coaching job at my school.  Would he be willing to for coach and be poor while he does it LOL?

Best of luck to your son.  He will LOVE coaching.

Rob,

Thanks for posting and best of luck.  Your son is smart, accomplished and driven.  To Dominik, Redsdad, and RedBird's point, I think it is less about him and more about the employer recognizing this is an extraordinary young man.  If the hiring manager understands he is a "diamond in the rough" then he'll get that opportunity.  The question then becomes what is it that your son wants to do, and what value can he bring to the organization.   That is something only he can answer.  

Over my career, I've worked for a few large tech manufacturers.  Almost all of our top salespeople are former successful college athletes.   They know how to lead, compete, communicate, and work as a team.  It is in their DNA. Just my two cents.....

Good luck!

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Rob,

Terrific work on the resume.  Glad things are going well for Jeff.  I'm also glad that I got to see him play a few times, and to meet you when we played at Duke.   As fate would have it, my son ended up rooming with one of Jeff's teammates at Duke, Dave Putman, when they played together in Great Falls, MT.  Baseball is truly a small world.

Terry

When my oldest son left college in 2010, the job market was next to non-existent.  It's better now, but still tough.  All those grads from 2008-11 are still out there competing with the younger set for entry-level options.

My baseball son graduated in 2012.  Due to injuries, his pro hopes never materialized. 

He had ZERO difficulty finding work.  He excelled at his first job and was head-hunted to his next position, which he enjoys and which pays him quite nicely.

Two takeaways for me.  First, don't compromise your academic level to pursue baseball.  That's short term thinking.  Rob's son went to Duke.  Doors will be open.  Mine went went to a school where his business major is ranked on some lists as the top undergraduate business school in the nation.  Doors opened. 

Second, anyone who learns what these kids do on a daily basis understands why their resumes should move to the top of the stack. 

I hire people for my firm.  This year, I finally went so far as to state in our information package that those who had played intercollegiate sports would be given preference.  Why?  Because I'm sick of seeing young people who are well into their 20's but who have never so much as held a job.  I am not interested in hiring someone who has yet to prove that they can pry their heads off the pillow on time every day.  I am not interested in teaching someone how to work.  I want them to have an internal motor already running before they get here, so we can move on to more substantial points that are key to their long-term success.

And BTW, all those public service things that kids list on their resumes are worthless.  Translation:  I did some stuff where I showed up when I felt like it, didn't when I didn't, left when it suited me, and suffered no consequences if my work effort was pathetic.  Give me a kid who flipped burgers on 8-hour shifts any day.  And if a kid did sports, worked, and still excelled in school, he gets the job!

Midlo Dad posted:

First, don't compromise your academic level to pursue baseball. 

I've always felt this was something not talked about enough in recruiting conversations on this site.  I couldn't agree more.  It's exactly what my son did in spite of many opportunities to play at much better baseball schools.  Everyone has their priorities and I wouldn't second guess anyone's choice but this was a biggie for our family.  In the end, if he's good enough, he'll get drafted.  Maybe he'll make a career of it, maybe he won't.  Either way he's going to have an education that he'll be proud of that will serve him for the rest of his life. 

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