zombywoof
I am sorry but I think it is wrong to say the kid may have used PEDS----the kid obviously talent but for an adult to sit here and degarde him that is TOTALLY WRONG
Yes there can be doubts but to infer what you have is wrong.
Good luck to the young man
zombywoof,
Sorry, but I think you are WAY off base making a statement like this:
"these are big numbers and I find it hard to believe these numbers were put up without the help of roids."
I don't believe you have any grounds for making an accusation like that against this young man.
Julie
Sorry, but I think you are WAY off base making a statement like this:
"these are big numbers and I find it hard to believe these numbers were put up without the help of roids."
I don't believe you have any grounds for making an accusation like that against this young man.
Julie
MN-MOM
Lets go one step further--what if it were his son who was this stud ?
Lets go one step further--what if it were his son who was this stud ?
From this day forward, anytime we see or hear about an exceptional Player.
No matter what sport.
You will have the PED accusations.
There's just no way around it anymore.
Not after the so called best in baseball, were caught with there hand in the cookie jar.
But lets give this young man the benifit of the doubt and cheer is accomplishment's.
EH
No matter what sport.
You will have the PED accusations.
There's just no way around it anymore.
Not after the so called best in baseball, were caught with there hand in the cookie jar.
But lets give this young man the benifit of the doubt and cheer is accomplishment's.
EH
I have been reading this thread and missed the last page.First the young man looks like a stud,hands down. To even assume he is taking an illegal substance should not come into queston on a board of this nature. What if that young mans parents read this or their friends.
People are jealous of talent like this, everyone sorta secretly wished their kid was that good. And if you say you don;t you would be fooling yourself.Lots of boys strive to be good, but that kind of good is just not something that comes along very often.
I think the sad thing about all of this is besides the original poster who said illegal enhancers could be being used, unfortunately peoples minds go there because of the MLB and the players that have used. Arod, being accused of taking since HS, everyone though he was a stud.
I think that this young man for all his abilities, people will try to pull him down.Everyone tries to pull the top down, its the nature of the beast. Look at Michael Phelps, great swimmer, athlete, got caught smoking pot, everyone is on the ban wagon that he is a bad example, etc, take away his endorsements.These type of talented people will always have someone trying to take them down, sad, but jealousy runs wild in the world where successful people exist.
Part of this young mans success will include how he handles all the pressures of the game, including the public scrutiny. He looks to have the brightest of futures and I hope and pray he succeeds at his dream as it looks to be the real deal.
With that said I hope that people jut watch this phenom develop and make his way and hope the best for himself and his family. I hope accusations don't cloud his joy of success. And that the public gives him the benefit of just having a true gift from God.
People are jealous of talent like this, everyone sorta secretly wished their kid was that good. And if you say you don;t you would be fooling yourself.Lots of boys strive to be good, but that kind of good is just not something that comes along very often.
I think the sad thing about all of this is besides the original poster who said illegal enhancers could be being used, unfortunately peoples minds go there because of the MLB and the players that have used. Arod, being accused of taking since HS, everyone though he was a stud.
I think that this young man for all his abilities, people will try to pull him down.Everyone tries to pull the top down, its the nature of the beast. Look at Michael Phelps, great swimmer, athlete, got caught smoking pot, everyone is on the ban wagon that he is a bad example, etc, take away his endorsements.These type of talented people will always have someone trying to take them down, sad, but jealousy runs wild in the world where successful people exist.
Part of this young mans success will include how he handles all the pressures of the game, including the public scrutiny. He looks to have the brightest of futures and I hope and pray he succeeds at his dream as it looks to be the real deal.
With that said I hope that people jut watch this phenom develop and make his way and hope the best for himself and his family. I hope accusations don't cloud his joy of success. And that the public gives him the benefit of just having a true gift from God.
fanofthe game
Your note on the Phelps boy is typical of todays world---he was not caught smoking pot---he was filmed smoking a "Bong" ---who knows what was in it--it is also sad to see that in todays world you can go to a party and person with a cell phone/camera phone can take your picture and sell it to a rag in the UK for a 6 figures---Incidently the South Carolina police tried to make a move but could not because there was no evidence
It is not a fun world anymore--it is difficult to even ahve dinner out with your wife
Your note on the Phelps boy is typical of todays world---he was not caught smoking pot---he was filmed smoking a "Bong" ---who knows what was in it--it is also sad to see that in todays world you can go to a party and person with a cell phone/camera phone can take your picture and sell it to a rag in the UK for a 6 figures---Incidently the South Carolina police tried to make a move but could not because there was no evidence
It is not a fun world anymore--it is difficult to even ahve dinner out with your wife
Yes I know it was a bong.Whatever, my point is people always try to take down the top guy.My competitive swim coach used to tell us all the time "its lonely on top".And it is true,its a fact of life. This young phenom will be exposed to the same thing. I am not justifying the behavior,I am saying I hope he and his family are ready for that.
Again I hope and pray he is allowed to enjoy his accomplishments without backgroind accusations.
Again I hope and pray he is allowed to enjoy his accomplishments without backgroind accusations.
David Clyde is in N. Houston, coaching and giving lessons last time I saw him. Great guy, we used to talk quite a bit when I was selling gloves.
quote:Originally posted by MN-Mom:
zombywoof,
Sorry, but I think you are WAY off base making a statement like this:
"these are big numbers and I find it hard to believe these numbers were put up without the help of roids."
I don't believe you have any grounds for making an accusation like that against this young man.
Julie
I disagree. Not out of line at all here. The track record of big time ballplayers putting up big numbers and going it clean isn't so good ala Arod, McGwire and Bonds. Everybody thought Arod was all natural, the Yankees were adding Home Run clauses in his contract because of all the publicity surrounding a player who's gonna break the HR record cleanly and look at what happened with that. HS players have easy access to the stuff. I'm not saying any player specifically does or doesn't juice up because I'm in no position to, nor does it have any effect on me one way or the other what this player does but I'm not in the wrong to form my opinion based on high profile ballplayers recording super-human numbers. I'm sure if this player goes pro, he will have to take tests that will answer those questions and things will take care of themselves.
zomby - you are failing to see the distinctions here. This site is devoted to amateur baseball and has a long-standing policy going back to the founder of not speaking or implying ill of amateur ballplayers. Pro players like Bonds and Rodriguez are fair for discussion as they are public figures. The generalized topic of steroid use among young players is also a valid topic. To imply anything about this specific young man like you have done is out of line. Please let it go and do not cast aspersions like these again.
How does this work as far as a HS player being on the cover of a major magazine.
Does the player get paid?
Is the Magazine making money off and Exploiting the young player.
I know that a player can not make money by portraying a baseball charactor like in a movie without losing there amateur status.
Just wondering.
EH
Does the player get paid?
Is the Magazine making money off and Exploiting the young player.
I know that a player can not make money by portraying a baseball charactor like in a movie without losing there amateur status.
Just wondering.
EH
quote:Originally posted by theEH:
How does this work as far as a HS player being on the cover of a major magazine.
Does the player get paid?
Is the Magazine making money off and Exploiting the young player.
I know that a player can not make money by portraying a baseball charactor like in a movie without losing there amateur status.
Just wondering.
EH
EH - what's your point? Because he is on the cover of SI people here should start taking pot-shots at him?
I'm not taking pot shot's at anybody CD.
In fact if you read my prior post's here, I took no shot's.
Just stated the Obvious of what will happen, no matter who the player is.
And said give the young man the benifit of the doubt.
Now If you want I will start a new thread on how does it work when your on the cover of a major magazine.
EH
In fact if you read my prior post's here, I took no shot's.
Just stated the Obvious of what will happen, no matter who the player is.
And said give the young man the benifit of the doubt.
Now If you want I will start a new thread on how does it work when your on the cover of a major magazine.
EH
quote:I'm not taking pot shot's at anybody CD.
I didn't say you. zomby is the one who has stepped out of line. Being on the cover of SI should be irrelevant as far as this site is concerned and what are fair game comments directed toward our players (all the ones who are yet to be paid).
By being on SI, it does put him out there as a public figure. I don't see where that justifies someone accusing or implying steroids on this "site" however.
quote:By being on SI, it does put him out there as a public figure. I don't see where that justifies someone accusing or implying steroids on this "site" however.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I know I would not like it, if it was mine are anybody elses I know being talked about.
I believe that is why so many have stepped up to explain to other's it's not acceptable here on the HSBBW.
EH
quote:ere. This site is devoted to amateur baseball and has a long-standing policy going back to the founder of not speaking or implying ill of amateur ballplayers
There's no ill will towards any amateur ballplayer. This player is a public figure on a national magazine and his exploits as a player can raise legitimate questions in today's baseball climate. This is something these young players have to think about if they want to go on a national magazine. You take the good with the bad and deal with it. Everybody wants all ballplayers from the amateur to the pro level to do it on their own abilities and I'm sure if the steroid thing ever happened, this wouldn't be an issue.
Personally, I'd rather give the kid the benefit of doubt but it will always be in the back of the mind when you read about the crazy numbers put up.
Ummm yeah.... but when you say "these are big numbers and I find it hard to believe these numbers were put up without the help of roids." it sure seems like it's in the FRONT of your mind, and not the back.quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
[QUOTE]Personally, I'd rather give the kid the benefit of doubt but it will always be in the back of the mind when you read about the crazy numbers put up.
I can tell you, I know the other 16 year-old that competed against Harper in the power showcase at the Trop... He is a great kid that works harder than any other kid I've ever seen... Also he's blessed with great genes and talent. Anything is possible.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
David Clyde is in N. Houston, coaching and giving lessons last time I saw him. Great guy, we used to talk quite a bit when I was selling gloves.
In SI, David Clyde said he is giving 75 pitching lessons per month.
There is a need to clean this great game up.
My heart got broken upon hearing about AROD as
a teenager.
It will take the amateurs to continue the cleansing. A fifty game suspension for first time offenders at the MiLB & MLB is NOT enough.
There are too many amateur players who think
they get away with something, especially when the Head Coach looks the other way.
Sorry
My heart got broken upon hearing about AROD as
a teenager.
It will take the amateurs to continue the cleansing. A fifty game suspension for first time offenders at the MiLB & MLB is NOT enough.
There are too many amateur players who think
they get away with something, especially when the Head Coach looks the other way.
Sorry