The New Coppell Addition

This has nothing to do with Coppell. However, I found out today that one of the plano players that was kicked off the team, is no longer enrolled at plano hs and is playing for either a 3a or 4a high school.

If the they did not want him in plano then he should go somewhere he is welcomed

Having been through a divorce I feel for this kid.

I hope this kid adjusts and does well in school, and that his new teammates take him under their wing.

A couple of years ago Keller had an intra district transfer, that EVERYONE, including most on this board thought was a recruiting issue. The dad had to spend hard earned money that he didn't have on lawyers to defend himself for having to move because his job situation changed, and therefore his income stream.

Everybody take a breath, there is usually a more innocent reason for this kid moving than just baseball or football. Heck, if he's a football stud, why didn't he move to Southlake? Wouldn't that have done him more good than Coppell??

Plus, Southlake's baseball program ain't half bad either.

KD -- the discussion has been driven by the timing of the move more than anything. I think most of us anticipate good things for the FM kid. Maybe he transferred now to participate in spring football. And I think Southlake has a QB.

Maybe the right house just became available ?

I am sure this is a legit move. But it does open the door for other non-legit moves. We had a kid (stud varsity player)from another school in Mesquite that wanted to transfer back in fall (one of his parents lives in our area) and they would not ok the move. I heard our district had to approve the move and they did not approve. He could change schools but had to sit out of baseball for this year. Since this was his senior year, he stayed at his original school.
I wish the new Coppell player and his family all the luck. After all this is just game. People need to chill.

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I am sure this is a legit move

Not what FM faithful are saying.

Now that it is in the DMN I guess we can talk about it:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highsch...rmound.1246decc.html

Here is the skinny version:

Coppell's side:
Coppell ISD athletic director John Crawford said.


Crawford said that under UIL rules, Morris is ineligible for varsity competition for 15 calendar days after enrolling at Coppell. To become varsity-eligible after the 15 days, Flower Mound, Coppell and the District 6-5A executive committee has to sign off on Morris' transfer and ensure that the move wasn't made for athletic purposes. Morris or his parents couldn't immediately be reached for comment Thursday.

Cody Vanderford, Flower Mound's athletic coordinator and football coach, said he was surprised about Morris' transfer. He refused to comment on if Flower Mound would sign off on the transfer.

"I won't elaborate on the transfer and don't feel the need to," Vanderford said. "We'll handle it the way it should be handled and we'll go from there."


It sounds like the FM AD - Vanderford isn't going to let this one go by so easily.

My bet is he wants a whole year of ineligibility (football and then into Baseball season next year).

That would be a shame.

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Originally posted by FmJags1330:

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Originally posted by Train:
[QUOTE]I am sure this is a legit move

Not what FM faithful are saying.

I assure you, the FM faithful that say otherwise are not fully aware of the situation, and neither, I would assume, are you.

I've conversed with the family, and I must say, the rumors flying around are unfounded. My bet is that even if Vanderford refuses to release him, it won't hold up when it goes in from of the UIL committee. There's just not enough evidence to support that the move was for athletic reasons--despite what the rumors are saying.

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Originally posted by FmJags1330:
There's just not enough evidence to support that the move was for athletic reasons--despite what the rumors are saying.

Article posted this evening on the wfaa website....

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/t...rmound.1246decc.html

A quote from the article...
"We wanted to give Cody Vanderford the chance to do spring football knowing Jacob wasn't going to be there," Mrs. Hernandez said, "and we wanted to give Jacob a chance to play spring football with his new team."

FmJags1330 - I take your word for it that the move is not for athletic purposes but based on the quote in the article the timing appears to be driven by athletics (spring football).....not that there is anything wrong with that....

I believe her when she says it is the best move for her family -- who am I to argue that point? But then she discusses spring football as a reason for the move's timing. I don't claim to know the eligibility procedures, but I can see the district denying his eligibility for baseball in 2007 -- and approving his right to play football in the fall.

I respect this player and his dad (don't know his mom from Eve). I hope it all works out for them. Concerning the "uproar" it seems to have caused....I don't see him making a significant impact on either baseball program this year. Either team would be fortunate to have him in 2008.

JMO.

What happened to Train's earlier post? He mentioned that a certain someone had nothing to do with this....why was that post taken off? Was new information uncovered, or was he just leary of the possible repercussions? Was he suggesting something that he really didn't have complete first hand knowledge of?

Whatever the reson for the change in schools - who are we to make any judgements unless we know 100% what the reason was? Assumptions can be made by anyone...but when you assume...you know what happens.

Perhaps that certain someone mentioned by Train wants to be closer to his own kids, or perhaps being at Coppell is better for the player in question - athletically or, hold your breath, for academics...but whatever the reason, only a very few people truly know the truth - and we shouldn't sit and judge from the outside. Every member of this extended family who is involved in the decision is going through quite a bit, so let's hope that it turns out best for the kids (all of them that are involved - and it's not just the one transferring schools)...afterall, that's what this website is for, correct?

It seems that the UIL rules states that the eligibility is to be determined based on whether the move itself was for athletic reasons. The timing just seems like courtesy by the family.

I looked over the rules several times and in my opinion, the player will most likely not lose a year, despite the fact that his previous coach refused to release him.

I think its important to consider that the refusal to release could be influenced by higher-ups and not just the athletic director's decision (at Flower Mound, the head football coach is also the athletic director).

-WMN

This morning their is an article about this very subject in the DMN.. Sounds as if Coppell is getting quite a good athlete..

On the other hand, this is a message board -- a place to discuss events in HS baseball. I don't think anyone is "judging" the family and certainly no one is minimizing the challenges they face. But it is my understanding that the divorce situation isn't recent, so the athlete has had time with the adjustments related to that situation. And, you guys are right, there are often times MANY reason to relocate. Juat the fact that they have a new house is reason enough --- I might like to move to west Plano one day (okok, a bad example! ) This type of thing happens frequently and no one ever says, "yes, we're moving for athletic purposes". It is up to the administration to determine intent -- and their judgment is really no more accurate than ours. It sounds like the parents go in front of a board and make their case. But the bottom line is.....the judgement will set a precident. Football in the next school year <--- very different than a tight district race between friendly rivals in my opinion.

To be perfectly honest, I don't care why they are moving -- it's their personal business. I really don't have a huge problem with this "moving for athletics" thing ---- while understanding why the rule is in place, this isn't China --- maybe the rule should be clarified. But, if a kid can move across town when he is having a tough season, the flood gates open!

I did not remove Train's comments -- if they're gone, he removed them himself.

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I really don't have a huge problem with this "moving for athletics" thing ----

Let the music play.

Business people moving for business reasons.

High School students moving for academic reasons- ex.-to a magnet school

Parents moving for financial reasons

Professional athletes moving for many reasons

I really don't like the attitude of the Flower Mound AD and other FM administrators actions. What they are really saying is, "If we can't have him no one else can either." This country's is set up with the premise you have to make your oppurtunities. For what ever the reason is, I do not care. He should be able to pursue his goals.

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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated.

We’re gonna do it!
Give us any chance, we’ll take it.
Give us any rule, we’ll break it.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true.
Doin’ it our way.

Nothin’s gonna turn us back now,
Straight ahead and on the track now.
We’re gonna make our dreams come true,
Doin’ it our way.

There is nothing we won’t try,
Never heard the word impossible.
This time there’s no stopping us.
We’re gonna do it.

On your mark, get set, and go now,
Got a dream and we just know now,
We’re gonna make our dream come true.
And we’ll do it our way, yes our way.
Make all our dreams come true,
And do it our way, yes our way,
Make all our dreams come true
For me and you.

Lord, I apologize.

Bless her heart.

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I did not remove Train's comments -- if they're gone, he removed them himself.

That's a first.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Panther Dad:
To be perfectly honest, I don't care why they are moving -- it's their personal business. I really don't have a huge problem with this "moving for athletics" thing ---- while understanding why the rule is in place, this isn't China --- maybe the rule should be clarified. But, if a kid can move across town when he is having a tough season, the flood gates open!
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With all due respect, PD, I must disagree with you on this one. I may live in a polly anna world, but most kids have the option to choose a summer team that meets their needs regarding the best exposure, coaching, winning team, etc. To me, the high school season is about the local kids playing together to be as good together as they can be.

It is an easier path to go find a HS team that is winning already, has great facilities and support, etc.; it is much harder to stay put and work to make your team the best it can be. The latter requires character and perseverance.

This incident illustrates at least one issue: athletics has become far too important in our institutes of higher education - HS and college. Quite frankly, none of us should care why the student has transferred. If the family deems this to be in the best interest of their child than they have the right to pursue a change.

Secondly, many of you may not remember this but the highly regarded former baseball coach at FMHS built his early teams by recruiting players from both Lewisville and Marcus high schools. Seems a bit disingenuous for FMHS to cry foul.

T-DB, I don't think we disagree really. I suppose my stance is middle-of-the-fence. Are you suggesting that families be "bound" to their circumstances based on where their kids start HS? I know you have more insight into this specific situation than I -- and notice I do not advocate moving for athletics -- but many transfer situations are legitimate. What if a family moves in the summer? -- building a house for instance? Should a player have to spend a year on JV when he/she has V ability? In my opinion....and I suppose I have done a poor job being clear....this particular athlete should not be allowed to play V baseball at the new school this season. Playing JV should be the ramifications of moving during a school year. CJ applied to move from Mesquite to Poteet -- and Poteet accepted his transfer. He was later denied when it came to V sports. Some towns have "open enrollment" and it becomes clear that school A is the baseball school -- school B is the football school....etc. Is that a level playing field?

T-DB, as I said earlier, I admire your approach to dealing with tough circumstances by working harder to effect change.

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Originally posted by T-Bird Dad:

It is an easier path to go find a HS team that is winning already, has great facilities and support, etc.; it is much harder to stay put and work to make your team the best it can be. The latter requires character and perseverance.

FO - Thanks for the great tune, unfortunately I have not been able to get it out of my head since reading your post.

If the move at this time was not for athletic reasons I wonder why the parents would not just have told the FM athletic director and respective football and baseball coaches up front that they were planning a move for the betterment of their family situation instead of making it such a surprise. Surely they had to be relatively confident that they would move prior to to the next schoolyear anyway.

That would have been the honorable thing to do and would definately have removed any doubt. I would think that would have gone a long way with the respective committee that will decide on this.

What difference does it make when they told the school? I don't follow that at all.

Texan,
Most coaches plan in advance for upcoming seasons, games, playoffs, etc. based on a number of things including returning players. Parents expect coaches to do what is best for their individual little Johnies. I think they should be able to expect parents to return the favor.

The concept of "doing the right thing" does still exist even in this world of me me me.

I just think that if notice can be given it is owed to the TEAMS, and their TEAMMATES that are effected.

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I did not remove Train's comments -- if they're gone, he removed them himself.

The TRAIN did not delete anything from here.

Here is what I have found out and MHO:
the kid transferred for atheltic reasons...too many issues with his real dad shooting his mouth off to the coach.

JM told several players he as going to transfer if he does not play...not good.

I hope he gets in here and is able to play THIS YEAR. He can help us right now on the mound and I have seen him pitch in the summer. He is good. If its turned away and will not help us now then I hope its rejected. Obviously, I want to win NOW ...I wont be here next year (I am transferring)

Diamond Girl ....you sound HOT

Sounds like there's a bit of a "naive" ground-swell of opinions towards feeling a family/child should be able to make such decisions according to what they feel is best for themselves, personally, professionally, etc.
It's not necessarily to prevent an athlete from moving to another program, or to protect a program from losing an athlete.

IMO, some overlook the true intent or purpose of having these matters "regulated." Seems to me that, without these policies/checks and balances/ regulations, unfortunately inappropriate activities to induce/recruit/enticements would be rampant.

This family's motivation for the move may be entirely legit, but it MUST be reviewed or verified, right?

If the move was not for athletic reasons then why did Mrs. Hernandez say she wanted the boys to go through spring football at thier new school. Is that not saying the reason? If the family waited until the fall, they would not have known the football skeems.

DG, coaches have long ago learned to be flexible.

Not knowing the family's exact circumstances, I will try to do the right thing and not castigate them over how much notice they gave.

Seems like it's time to shut this one down too, PD.

Let them do there thing. He is a great kid and good family. Stop being so judging. Who really cares. The kid is liked by all and wish him the best. It happends all the time but when the kid is good oh we have a problem. We wish him all the luck.

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Originally posted by dbg_fan:


Secondly, many of you may not remember this but the highly regarded former baseball coach at FMHS built his early teams by recruiting players from both Lewisville and Marcus high schools. Seems a bit disingenuous for FMHS to cry foul.

I know this to be the case.........and I had forgotten about it till now......funny how that works.

I'm sure there are some Marcus and Lewisville fans that are experiencing a little schadenfreude about right now.

Texan,
I am not castigating anyone, just trying to understand the situation. I am also not judging anyone.

My opinion is just that; an opinion. I don't care whether the family moved for athletic reasons or not
and don't feel that it will negatively impact the FM baseball team.

I also think that parents have a right to send their kids to any school they please for whatever reason they want to use. That being said, it is my opinion that the transfer at this time, was primarily for athletic reasons.

My opinion or none of our really matters though in this case. Only thing that is important is what the committee thinks. It will be interesting to see how everything turns out.

KELLERDAD,
Marcus and Lewisville need to worry more about their numerous losses to FM since the school opened instead of fretting about losing players to Matlock.
Come to think of it, FM has put some pretty good whippings on Keller since then also if my memory is correct.

DG,

If he transferred to a 4A school would we even be having this discussion?

DG:

The Marcus/FM situation, in regards to baseball, is so long over and the boys involved in that situation are long gone. It really isn't talked about/brought up anymore, at least not at Marcus.
It is water under the bridge, the folks involved have all graduated and been gone for some time now.

Recently though it was an issue w/football and that transfer was handled by the LISD policy that is in place that deals with intradistrict transfers. I believe this policy came into effect after FMHS was opened and it is much tougher than the UIL policy, I believe it states that if a Varsity athlete transfer within the LISD district and it has been proven to be a transfer based on athletic reasons then the athlete must sit out a year and I believe that is what happened to the FM football QB a couple of years ago.

If you want to see a pretty firm stance on transfers within a district here is LISD's Policy:

Students transferring from one high school attendance area to another
shall not be eligible to participate in the varsity competition
level extracurricular program of the new school for a period of one
calendar year following the student’s first day of attendance in the
high school to which the student has transferred. In unusual circumstances,
the Superintendent has the authority to permit participation
within UIL limitations.
In a case of the parents’ separation, the Superintendent shall be
authorized to establish a review committee to approve or disapprove
resident changes for eligibility purposes.
Eligibility of high school athletes who move with their parents from
one high school attendance area to another shall be regulated in
accordance with UIL rules with the following exception. If a student
moves with his or her parent(s) from one District high school attendance
zone into another District attendance zone, that student
shall be ineligible for varsity competition level athletics for one calendar
year from the date of enrollment in the new school.
If a student moves with his or her parent(s) from one District high
school attendance zone into another District high school attendance
zone, the student may continue to attend the original school
if the student is currently participating in varsity level athletics or if
the coaches at the original school verify that the student will be participating
in varsity level athletics the following school year. In order
to stay at the original school, the student’s parents or guardians
must declare in writing to the assistant superintendent of student
services at least ten business days prior to the move the student’s
intent to stay at the original school. If the student enrolls in the new
school, the student shall be ineligible for varsity level athletics for
one calendar year from the date of enrollment in the new school.
A student, whose parent(s) or guardian owns a house in one high
school attendance area and moves to a lease/rental residence in
another high school attendance area shall be ineligible in the new
zone.

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Originally posted by Train:

Diamond Girl ....you sound HOT

So,,,,,,,,,,you are making tracks to another women and all this time I thought I was special....

Heck I bet there is a house for sale in FM these days, just right for a baseball family, and you could be on the same side of the tracks as Diamondgirl...


Posted by Diamondgirl:
"Marcus and Lewisville need to worry more about their numerous losses to FM since the school opened instead of fretting about losing players to Matlock.
Come to think of it, FM has put some pretty good whippings on Keller since then also if my memory is correct"

DG: And to think I was just starting to like the way you talked.....

Diamond Girl,
I think that was song by Elton John in the 70's.


I see your teeth flash, Jamaican honey so sweet
Down where Lexington cross 47th Street
She's a big girl, she's standing six foot three
Turning tricks for the dudes in the big city

Island girl
What you wanting with the white man's world
Island girl.

Whoops, never mind. That was Island Girl.