is crotch grabbing and crotch chopping the new MLB? Is this the new “break the unwritten rules” Griffey is talking about in the ad? Or is this just another sign of the decline of proper behavior in society? I found it disgusting and classless. Who here would be proud if it were their son acting this way?
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Not a fan, then again I’m getting old. Not sure why every hit needs to be celebrated with a grab, dance or some dance move. Up next, pitchers doing the same with each strikeout.
RJM and CT:
How would Bob Gibson or Don Drysdale handle the "phony" celebrations from a "batter" who is being paid to "hit". I know that the batter would have a target on their back.
Bob
I hate those stupid fortnite dances
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Don't have a problem with emotions but those choreographed dances are stupid.
I think it started with the brewers 10 years ago with braun and fielder who did this beast mode thing..
I don't mind the occasional bat flip for a HR in a big moment. But yeah, celebrating every base hit is just annoying IMO. I always like the advice that when you make a good play (or hit a HR, score a touchdown, make a 3-pointer, etc.) you should act as though you have done it before, not as if you just surprised yourself and your teammates.
No youth or HS team I know of would allow this kind of stuff today. But I assume this behavior in MLB eventually will trickle down to other levels--it always seems to.
I have also noticed the recent emphasis on more emotion from players. Some players naturally play with emotion, others more calm and collected. It seems both types of players play to their strength and one is not necessarily superior to the other. Too much "over the top" emotion would get more than a little weird after a while imho.
CTbballDad posted:Not a fan, then again I’m getting old. Not sure why every hit needs to be celebrated with a grab, dance or some dance move. Up next, pitchers doing the same with each strikeout.
At what age is looking at the fans and grabbing or chopping your crotch cool?
Get the heck off my lawn! Who cares what they do, it's long been established that no one cares how someone acts as long as they can play. Any sport, for about as long as they've been played. If someone did what Machado did in HS ball would they play again that season? I personally don't find most celebrations interesting, but they certainly don't bother me, and if the players like doing them then "let the kids play".
It only bothers me if it is my kid doing it...the ride home with dad can really suck at times.
Got into a huge dustup with my 75 yr old Dad about this last week (he hates it, but it also got personal-since resolved). I'm a little more tolerant, but just a little. I'm ok with showing emotion in some way as a spontaneous reaction to success in a big moment - walkoff hit, major comeback in a big game, etc... But I agree, it's ridiculous and sometimes lacking class when done so frequently and in often inappropriate times - up or down big or just a routine hit! There is something to be said for respecting your opponent and the game.
Dominik85 posted:I hate those stupid fortnite dances
Don't have a problem with emotions but those choreographed dances are stupid.
I think it started with the brewers 10 years ago with braun and fielder who did this beast mode thing..
That's only because you can't do the dances
RJM posted:CTbballDad posted:Not a fan, then again I’m getting old. Not sure why every hit needs to be celebrated with a grab, dance or some dance move. Up next, pitchers doing the same with each strikeout.
At what age is looking at the fans and grabbing or chopping your crotch cool?
Emotion is fine if it doesn’t affect your composure and ability to play your best baseball. Celebrating is fine. Being vulgar is not something I want to see or worse yet pay money to see. 😖
2019OF posted:Who cares what they do, it's long been established that no one cares how someone acts as long as they can play.
Disagree completely. If you don't believe me, ask Ray Rice.
I like raw emotion. I think it's a great part of the game. I don't think much of choreographed celebrations and vulgar displays. One of the things I have always appreciated about MLB is the respect for the game and opponent that MLB has mostly adhered to. Some will say times change and the younger generation likes it. I just happen to believe that class never goes out of style or at least shouldn't.
I have NFL Red Zone. At the end of the day they show two sets of highlights. One is every touchdown scored over the course of the day. The other is the top ten touchdown celebrations. It means there’s a market for it. But don’t hit the gutter with the celebrations.
In the case of Machado and Puig they were telling the Milwaukee fans to shove it. It wasn’t about celebration.
It seems that Machado is doing everything he can to lower his value on the open market. I can't wait to see how he behaves once he has a monster contract under his belt.
@ironhorse Rice was not exactly in his prime at the time of that incident. Not to mention they were aware of it and had seen the footage long prior to the scandal. It was only a problem when people in the media made it a problem.
I'm not a fan of the celebrations, but putting them in the same category as Ray Rice and saying the media caused the outrage is a little nutty, and I hate the media more than the next guy.
2019OF posted:@ironhorse Rice was not exactly in his prime at the time of that incident. Not to mention they were aware of it and had seen the footage long prior to the scandal. It was only a problem when people in the media made it a problem.
Agree, but it refutes the idea that no one cares how you act as long as you can play. I agree with the principle of your statement, but I think everyone has a line they draw. Where that line is drawn is always the debate.
As observed at least 5,000 times in baseball telecasts and articles that I can directly recall in over 50 years of watching baseball - it is a game of failure.
So a little whopping it up on a successful effort doesn't really mean anything in the big picture IMO. I find it preferable to a jog to first on a groundball or a trot on a ball that hits the fence and becomes a single.
Anymore, my issue isn't that these dudes celebrate - it is that it takes too long between anything happening to celebrate. The 3:45 game that starts at 8:30 and ends at 12:15....and have 13 base hits 11 walks, 21 strikeouts and 7 pitching changes just suck.
It's what I loved watching the World Baseball Classic and it's what I love about watching playoff baseball. That raw emotion is contagious.
Way to bat flip a single you freak’n showboat clown! Does this fall under “I don’t run out hits?”
I also think the situation matters. If somebody hits a go ahead slam in the 9th he should definitely celebrate but if you do a dance after hitting a solo shot with your team being down 7-1 (or up 7-1 for that matter) it is not the greatest timing
Old man yelling at clouds. What did Ken Griffey Jr say? "Let the kids play..."
I trust the MLBPA will police themselves and establish a "new normal" if needed.
My '22 had an interesting take on the Machado episode in the WS. He loves it when someone hits an absolute tank and celebrates with a flip. However, when Machado watched his fly ball turn into a long single my son turned into Crusty Baseball Scout and sneered at his lack of hustle and professionalism.
Could a World Series end any better than Machado on his knees whiffing?
RJM posted:Could a World Series end any better than Machado on his knees whiffing?
Only if a Padre was on the mound.
(And he was back in the AL, of course)
OskiSD posted:RJM posted:Could a World Series end any better than Machado on his knees whiffing?
Only if a Padre was on the mound.
The only way a Padre would be on the mound clinching a World Series would be after being traded to another team. Had Kimbrel not thrown 56 pitches in the two previous days it would have happened.
RJM posted:Could a World Series end any better than Machado on his knees whiffing?
My son and I were wondering the same thing...he came up with one: Machado up with tying run on 3rd and two outs in 9th. Hits a grounder to short and dogs it down the line. Firstbaseman drops the throw but has time to retrieve the ball and step on first as the suddenly hustling Machado comes up short.
