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I found this wonderful website in 2005, as a high school freshman. I was the only freshman on the varsity team, a LHP with a big curveball and a big ego. I posted here trying to garner some more information about colleges, and to try to get my name out there to the people who I deemed "mattered".

It's now been nearly six years since I began posting here. I've been through my fair share of mishaps and lumps in the baseball world, and I've been through my fair share of successes. Everything comes with the territory of playing amateur baseball. I've played in four games in one day, pitched both ends of a double header. I've been in so much pain I couldn't lift my arm above my head. I've cried over baseball more times than any self-respecting college aged male should admit to. I've spent countless hours online researching schools, professional teams, techniques, mechanics, weightlifting. I've spent even more time throwing, running, charting pitches, sitting in buses, airplanes, hotels.

I am now a junior in college. My team has made it to the NCAA tournament. I've pitched in some very important games. I have a career ERA under 2. I've given up game winning home runs. I've been screamed at by coaches to the point where I feel smaller than an ant. I've been at the bottom of the dogpile, and stood in the dugout gazing at opponent's dogpiles.

There are many, many people here who have sons who dream of playing ball at the next level. Many of those players are very talented and will be able to live that dream. Over my six years as a member of this site, I can't count how many posts I've read about "finding the right fit" for a player. People are genuinely curious and stressed about the shortcomings of the collegiate baseball recruiting process. They seek out knowledge from those who have been there, and those who they feel can guide them through the difficult process.

  • Never pick a school for its name. I played on a high profile summer team while I was in high school and many of my teammates were the absolute best players in our area. During the summer between junior and senior year, college coaches began to gravitate to the fields we played at because of the level of talent we had. My teammates acted like kids on Christmas morning...REAL college coaches were there to watch them play baseball. There was grumbling about full scholarship offers, Perfect Game rankings and draft stock in the dugout. It was like sitting at an 8th grade lunch table with a bunch of girls talking about the boys that were sitting at the table across from them. "He said this to that guy, he doesn't like this guy." By November of my senior year, many of my teammates committed to college. Some had various levels of scholarship offers, some were recruited walk-ons. Many of them took the first offer they got...some never even went on a visit to the school that had offered them. They simply saw the name of the school, their name on the paper, and signed it.

  • Never pick a school for a specific coach. This is true for two reasons. #1- Coaches change. Many coaches leave schools for other job opportunities that interest them. #2- Coaches aren't always the person you make them out to be when they are recruiting. Coaches have different personalities, and many times their true colors aren't fully on display when recruiting. Good coaches do a great job painting an appealing picture of their school, and many of the things they display aren't always completely true. I am not saying coaches are liars, but they want to show you the 100% best aspects of their program and will do so in any way they can. Do your proper research on the institution and the coaching staff. There are countless resources where you can do this (this site being one of them), and formulate a strong opinion based on ALL aspects of a school, not just the appealing ones that you see at the surface.

  • You or your son are entitled to absolutely nothing. A college coach is recruiting you to become part of his team. This means that he will provide you to get out on the field and have an opportunity to be successful and earn playing time. Just because he recruited you doesn't mean you are guaranteed to play where/when/how much you want to. Just because you feel that you had a better BP session or a better bullpen than another kid doesn't mean you are guaranteed to play. Just because you ran a faster 60, or the gun read a higher velocity doesn't mean you'll see innings over a teammate. You are entitled to nothing more than an opportunity. It is your responsibility to give it your all on the field and to show the coach that you belong out there. Coaches have a lot of other players on their depth chart and are not there to worry about your emotional state or your attitude towards the game. Coaches are there to put a winning team on the field. Bust your **s, show you care, and accept your role in stride.

  • Never underestimate the importance of body language. I have witnesses firsthand a player being crossed off a list because he walked to his position, or pouted after a call didn't go his way. As an extention of the previous point, coaches need to put together a winning team. If a player has attitude and could be detrimental to the team's overall success, then a coach won't want that player on his team. A quick story: My freshman year I was pitching in a conference game, tied 3-3, in the 8th inning. The leadoff hitter hit a hanging curveball to the right centerfield fence and sprinted into 3b with a triple. I was backing up the back and after the player slid in safely, I let out an F bomb. Was it loud? No. But it was loud enough for my coach, who was sitting in the dugout right behind me, to hear it. My coach usually posts the day's lineup on his hotel door in the morning and when I went to look at it the next day, I wasn't even listed as a player to potentially throw in relief that day. I looked at it sort of quizzically and he saw me and said "Son, you're lucky I didn't rip that uniform off you and send you home after what you did yesterday." Coaches take integrity very seriously and will not stand to witness anything that could jeopardize the mental success of a potentially player. (FWIW: I stood in front of the team the next day and apologized to everyone for what I did. I had to do a campus run when we arrived back to campus and was on laundry duty the next two weekends straight as a punishment).

  • Don't frown upon DII, DIII, NAIA or JuCo. I've seen it all. "Division I"...like it's in bright lights in Times Square. Why? Why is it so important to play DI? Is it because you want to attempt to play the best competition available to you, and the perceived challenge is appealing? Then by all means, sign the NLI...that's an excellent reason. But from what I've seen, most players want to play DI baseball because they want to be able to say they play DI baseball. That, frankly, is stupid. The decision of what college you are going to attend is a decision that will have an effect on your entire life in the future. It is very obvious that you love playing the game of baseball, or you wouldn't be attempting to play college baseball (I'll delve into that in the next bullet point). So why hinder the potentially institutions you can attend to this small number? Discrediting DII, DIII, NAIA and JuCo athletics is foolish, ignorant and stupid. Just because a school doesn't classify itself as a Division I institution doesn't mean that school can't allow your son to be happy in his collegiate endeavors. Pick a school for the academic, social and athletic appeals it portrays to you, not the organizational name it comes with.

  • Don't play college baseball unless you absolutely LOVE the game. Being a collegiate student-athlete is like having two full-time jobs. I'll lay it out for you: Let's say that you take 15 credit hours, which is the average at my school. That means that you spend 15 hours per week in class. Professors suggest that you spend 2-3 hours studying for every one hour spent in class. Let's round that to a comfortable average of 2.5 hours per hour...or 37.5 hours. Add that to the previous total of 15 credit hours and that gives you 52.5 hours per week spent on academics. Well, that's a full-time job right there. On average, I'd estimate that I spend 4 hours a day, 6 days a week at practice or in the weight room (probably a bit less during the offseason, a bit more in-season). That's 24 hours a week. On top of that, athletics require you to attend meetings, lectures, study halls. Athletics require you to spend time worrying about the nutritional aspect of your life, worry about having proper training techniques in order to remain healthy. All these things combined translate to, let's say, another 15 hours a week. So that gives you a total of 39 hours. Add that to the previous academic total we found, and that's over 90 hours a week dedicated to your schoolwork and your baseball team. Everyday, every week, all year. If you feel that you aren't interested in putting in the required time to be a successful student and a successful athlete, then don't do it, because that's what it takes.


    In conclusion, no one will really know what is best for you or your son except you or your son. It is very important to discuss these possibilities with a clear head, and a foreseeable future in mind. Making this decision is a stressful, time consuming and exhilarating time in a person's life, and one that could ultimately be very gratifying. I encourage each and every person that reads these message boards to continue to engulf a wealth of knowledge that can be beneficial to them in the long run. HSBBWeb is just one of many high quality resources available out there, and exercising all of them cannot hurt you. Good luck to all those high school players who are beginning to start their seasons now, or will be soon.
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    What an awesome post - every bullet point so true!! After spending time with an unhappy freshman parent recently over playing time - I sure wish they could read this. Also, look at the depth chart for your position before you commit to a school.


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    You or your son are entitled to absolutely nothing. A college coach is recruiting you to become part of his team. This means that he will provide you to get out on the field and have an opportunity to be successful and earn playing time. Just because he recruited you doesn't mean you are guaranteed to play where/when/how much you want to.
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    JH,
    I'm right with BOF. Amazing insights poignantly crafted into words.
    Your thoughtful assessment of college baseball, college recruiting, and the links from one to the other is a huge breath of fresh air on the HSBBW.
    From my perspective, your post can go straight to Golden.
    My guess is too many will read it and think "he isn't talking about me..or my son."
    But enough will read it and be impacted in the way the process is viewed, what happens in February of that first season when an umpire calls "play ball," and all the feelings that went before taking off that sweaty and dirt stained jersey.. for the very last time.

    If I have anything to add, it would be to emphasize not all college coaches are the same. Many truly want the best for their players, and stand behind what they say.
    As you point out, though, it can be a challenge at times to learn who they are.
    The other slight addition is that great college coaches coach at every level of college baseball.
    DI doesn't mean you are going to be coached by those who might be the best in developing your talent.
    Agree- this should go right to Golden Threads. JH you nailed it. I wish everyone, not just hopeful recruits would read this post.

    You hit the nail on the head about everything. The posters that have praised you have sons that have played college baseball and further. They, like you, know what it takes to be successful in college baseball. You really know what you're talking about and are wise beyond your years.

    Thank you for such an insightful post. Hope you and your team have a great season.
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    Originally posted by J H:
    I've been through my fair share of mishaps and lumps in the baseball world, and I've been through my fair share of successes.


    I find your post very informative and well thought out.

    A question I would pose to you in light of all your advice, is how happy are you with the choice you made school wise?
    Furthermore, of all the schools that showed interest, in hindsight do you think you made the best choice?
    Vector- Good question. I had a miserable experience with my high school baseball coach and greatly looked forward to being able to move on to college and be put into a situation where I could progress as a player and recognize my full potential. The coaching staff that is employed at my school is very knowledgeable and provides excellent guidance. Each and every coach I have puts their heart and soul into our team and truly considers us a large family. There is literally no doubt in my mind that my coaches would do just about anything in order to help us. However, from a baseball standpoint, they are very old school. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't allow for very much diversity in game methods. Our practices are very monotonous and often frustrating. The practice methods our coaches employ have proven to be successful on the field (in two years our winning percentage has been about .700) but are rather unappealing for us.

    This is something that I don't really think I could have known about in high school, and honestly is something that I don't really think would have been that big of an issue to me. But overall, if I had one complaint about the program I am in, that'd be it. I am very happy with where I chose to go to school. I have created friendships that will last me beyond college, excelled on the field in ways that please me and been pushed to the limit in the classroom.

    I've never really looked back and thought about the "what ifs" because it is very difficult to do that. Were there things about the other schools that were recruiting me that were more appealing at the time that could have been better for me? Sure, definitely. But the college experience is more than just one or two specific examples of a positive aspect that you see on a recruiting trip. The reason I chose the school I attend was because at the time of my commitment, there was no other school that I felt more comfortable with. And despite the fact that there may be things about the other schools that could be more appealing to me, I don't really think I could have gotten the kind of experience I've had anywhere else. I don't regret the decision I made at all and if I were to go back and do it again with all the knowledge I have now, I'd make the same exact decision.
    This is significant work. Josh - you continue to outdo yourself and that is saying something.

    I am going to sticky this at the top of this forum for a while and encourage every one of our members to read it. Maybe Julie can link this thread into the hsbbweb archives.

    Josh, one question for you. If you didn't like the coach, would you cross that school off your personal recruiting list?
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    My son didn't like a few coaches who were recruiting him and he definetly crossed them off his list.
    I think (maybe wrong) he is talking more about being a different coach once you get to campus than the one who courted you during recruitment. Smile

    JH,
    I think you will be surprised that what you have described about old school is very common.

    I'll bet you hated those drills and those practices because you all thought you were beyond that stuff.

    My son's former head coach is old school, his practice methods were unappealing to son as well. Same drills over and over and over. Long boring practices. Business like and serious as well. Not often a lot of fun, that came later when the hard work began to pay off.

    Yet for sure, he is a winner, and so are a lot of the other winning coaches you most likely will find as being "old school". And as you have said, son probably may say the same, he probably would not have had the experience anywhere else.

    BTW, things don't change much at the next level either. Wink That old school has helped him much at the pro level.

    There is a strong possibility you may not be the person or player you are if you had a different coach..just sayin....
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    JH, your post couldn't have come at a better time for my son and our family. I think we were aware of most of what you talk about in your post. But your ability to coalesce so much pertinent information in a single post is remarkable and much appreciated. My son is a soph LHP whose recruiting process is well under way. We will continue to ask and learn until the decision becomes irrefutable.

    I appreciate all the praise from everyone, and I am very glad to hear that my post helps to condense all the information and make more sense to those who seek it.

    TPM pointed out that a vast majority of coaches run their program in a similar monotonous way. First off I'd like to state that my opinion here in no way will reflect negatively for me in my collegiate career. In fact, my coach will readily admit...and has done so...that his practices are mundane. The fact of the matter is, the things we cover are necessities that are very important. The game of baseball at the surface is an enjoyable art form. The game of baseball at the in-depth is a complicated mashup of confusing motions, conflicting angles and intricate actions; all of which at a very fast pace. As a college or professional coach, one must be able to train his team to excel in all the miniscule facets of the game in order to accomplish the ultimate success by putting it all together. As a pitcher, I get sick of interval sprints and PFP's and flat ground work with changeups and medicine ball work and rotator cuff exercises and everything else that is involved with the daily process of being a pitcher. But everything that is done is for a purpose, and being able to recognize these purposes is one of the keys in separating yourself as a player.

    Cleveland Dad- That is a great question and one that could be a sticky slope. For me, I view coaches as an extension of the entire athletic department as a whole. The administrative individuals who are responsible for hiring coaches analyze the way the coaches go about things and the way they conduct themselves. Therefore, if there is a part of a coach that is unappealing to me, I will certainly take that into consideration because the personality of the coach directly reflects the personality of the AD and those underneath him or her.

    An example to better outline this: During the fall of my senior year, I went on an official visit to a mid-major DI school. They had given me an offer that included a pretty good academic package, and a small amount of baseball money (this was before the NCAA scholarship minimum rule was enacted). When I arrived at the school for my meeting with the head coach, I sat in the waiting room of the athletic offices for about 20 minutes with my father before he came hustling into his office. He apologized and said he'd been playing basketball with some of the other staff members. He then told me his assistant coach would take me on a tour of the academic buildings on campus while he took a quick shower and then he'd meet up to show us the athletic facilities and talk finances and the future.

    The school was very appealing and the assistant coach outlined things that I liked. However, I couldn't get by the fact that the head coach wasn't giving me the tour, and that he was late for the meeting because of a pick up basketball game. I know some coaches leave the tours to their assistant coaches, and that's completely fine. But the lack of personal relationship I felt with this particular head coach was a turn off. I ended up politely turning down his offer and ended up attending the school I attend now.

    Another note: I had absolutely 0 interest in the school I am attending now when the coach first called me. He first called during July between junior and senior year of high school, right around the time when a bunch of coaches were calling. It was a state school pretty far from home that I hadn't heard much about, and was a DIII school. I told him I appreciated the call and we'd keep in touch.

    From that point on, he literally called my cell phone every single Sunday evening at 6:30. It got to the point where my parents would alter our family dinner plans around Coach's phone call because they knew it was coming. He'd call most of the time just to check in and see how things were in school and whatnot. Every single Sunday.

    In October of my senior year, he drove to my hometown and met with me and my guidance counselor at school for an hour and a half, and then took me to lunch and met my family at my house. The next month, I visited the campus, and he met with my father and me in his office for an hour before taking us on a detailed tour of all the athletic facilities, classroom buildings, and sat with us at the dining hall for lunch.

    When applications were due, he took it upon himself to go to Admissions to make sure I was accepted (I didn't need the "favor" that some coaches have because my grades were high enough, but he went nonetheless). And he continued to call me every Sunday at 6:30.

    It got to a point where there was no other coach who put in as much time recruiting me as he did. No one made me feel as comfortable, no one was as upfront as he was. I really felt like there was nowhere else I would be able to find in that amount of time that could provide me with as much security as he presented. So on February 18th, 2008 I called him and told him I'd like to officially commit to pitch for him for the next four years.

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    Nailed it on the head JH about the coach being Mr. Personality during recruiting but when you show up in the fall away from the parents he turns into a Marine drill instructor.

    When son called and told me how the HC was treating all the players at practice, i.e. belittiling them, making the freshman butt's of his jokes, allowing upperclassmen to use them as maids, etc. it really shocked me. I was wondering where the HC that gave us the rosey recruiting tour was.

    I understand some small amounts of hazing go on and figured as much. I expected it. But it was much worse than what I wrote above and so after the fall semester he left. He was willing to quit baseball altogether. (He found a local JUCO that wanted him to play and welcomed him with open arms)

    I'm not sure how parents and/or prospective players could go about asking about the HC outside of recruiting but if you can, you sure NEED to!

    YGD
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    I'm not sure how parents and/or prospective players could go about asking about the HC outside of recruiting but if you can, you sure NEED to!



    I think this is a real cr@p shoot comeing out of HS. Who do you ask? And if you find someone to ask, do you act on what they tell you? On top of that, most scouts are unwilling to say negative things about any program to HS players.

    Kids transferring from other colleges or JCs have a decent chance to know more about the coach's real personality from watching the coach in action or playing summer ball with players from the team or word of mouth from other collge coaches. The knowldge/truth is out there, it just out of reach of most HS players.

    Don't be afraid to PM about a particular program. Some of the best info comes from playrs/parents that play against the program you are intrested in. My son has/had definate opinions about most of the coaches/programs in all three of his former leagues!
    In Belicick's football coaching book he talks about some of his football coaches, and, IIRC, notes that his college coach at Weslyan, (whom he does not name) was something of a jerk. Since a lot of people think that Bill Belicick is a jerk, you can only imagine what that coach must have been.

    For those of you who have netflix, there is a free documentary on there about Texas baseball and Augie Garrido, which is pretty good. I will say that some of the clips surprised me. He's not a gentle grandfatherly type in situations where he gets a little agitated. You'll have to watch it to see what I mean. I got a kick out of it, but don't watch it with youngsters around, if you get my drift.
    JH,

    This is a MASTERPIECE. We appreciate all the information you have shared thus far. Baseball is a game of ups and downs that it's really hard to be on an even keel (for the player and the parents). With your posts and this website, it takes the edge off knowing someone, somewhere has or is undergoing the journey.

    You have a great future ON and OFF the DIAMOND!

    Hope we will experience that Sunday evening phonecalls!

    RR23 Smile
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    Originally posted by Pedropere:

    For those of you who have netflix, there is a free documentary on there about Texas baseball and Augie Garrido, which is pretty good. I will say that some of the clips surprised me. He's not a gentle grandfatherly type in situations where he gets a little agitated. You'll have to watch it to see what I mean. I got a kick out of it, but don't watch it with youngsters around, if you get my drift.



    What a great suggestion, I just spent 2 hours watching it and it flew by. This is great viewing for coaches, players, parents, sports fans; a real testament to not setting boundaries and doing the best you can.
    Merc- My dad told me he sat with you for a while the other day at the game, as well as a few other familiar faces. Glad to hear things could be of some kind of help. Also very glad to see Mike is off to a hot start to the season. Always nice to see local guys making an impact at the collegiate level
    While scanning the different threads, trying to decide where to post the following info on our son, I came across your post. We just wanted to thank you.
    Our son is a high school junior who has started on the varsity team since he was a freshman and played on several travel teams in younger years 9-14 some of which won national titles. He has been chosen for all tournament team from several high school tournaments and all district, all conference, all state. And nominated for xtra innings. We know none of this matters, unless you are seen by college coaches if you want to play at the next level. He had an opportunity to play on a team out of the country last summer and did not play on a tournament team. He is wanting to play at the next level and has been evaluated at a few showcases, both college and professional levels with evaluations being favorable. He is a strong hitter, led his team in homeruns last year as a sophmore and has hit 4 this year so far, after 4 games. Catcher is where he plays in varisty and on tournament teams played 3rd, short-stop and outfield and pitches also. Guess better wording would be "he is a versatile player". We know he needs to get out there and get seen this summer. Our question for you is, where is the best place to go or start without wasting valuable time researching numerous website, teams etc? Keep in mind we are in Arkansas and not much opportunity or any really good travel or showcase teams around(that we know of) His high school team did well last year and did go several rounds in state and he had a good showing as a sophmore and got some invites here and there during the fall but did not go to try-outs due to him playing football and golf. Just give us any advice to get his name out there and get him watched so that he might have an opportunity to play at the next level. By the way, we have heard him say,"I am not going somewhere just to say I am playing for _________. I want to go where I can play baseball." So sounds like he is thinking the right way. Any help would be appreciated from anyone who reads this post. Showcase teams or travel teams or even if this post needs to be in another thread, let us know.
    Again, Thanks

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