thrown glove with ball inside

I recall this coming up in another forum.

I think FED rules something different on this play. Not sure about NCAA.

For OBR, I have an out. The rule applied here sounds like the rule of "throwing and touching a thrown ball with detached equipment".

That rule does not apply in this situation. In this situation, as long as whoever is covering 1B has control of the ball, it is an out. Having control of the glove would equate to control of the ball for these purposes as long as the ball stays in the glove.

I'm not an umpire and don't know the specific rule, but I have seen it done in the MLB. I would think the runner is out. Maybe FED or OBR is different.

Unfortunately, this was not the correct call..

I have no idea where the 2 base award came from. In your situation, it is simply the result of the play. Had the pitcher been able to get his glove off and to the first baseman in time the batter runner would have been out, provided the first baseman demonstrated control of the glove with the ball in it.

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Originally posted by bcb3:
Runner on first and batter hits comebacker to pitcher. The ball gets stuck in glove, and pitcher throws glove to first. Runner is safe. Ump gives two bases to each runner. Is this correct, whats it called.

Under HS (FED) rules, the call was correct. Under other codes (OBR & NCAA), the glove/ball could be thrown to another player to make a play.

This is a ball that is lodged in a player's equipment. NFHS rules 2-9-1, 8-3-3c, 5-1-1f-5

Correct call and correct award....

When F1 removed his glove with the ball lodged in it and shoveled it to the first baseman,t was a lodged ball....

The umpire should declare "Time," and award all runners, including the batter-runner, two bases from the TOP.

I wonder what the rational is behind the HS (FED) rule. OBR and NCAA is how I have seen this rule enforced.

Let's change this up some - the pitcher actually knows the rule. He gets the comebacker and reaches into his glove and realizes he can't get it out. It's obvious to everyone it's lodged in his glove - he holds his glove open and the ball is clearly between the fingers. But he hustles over and touches first base with his foot before the runner.

Is this still an out or would it fall under the lodged ball rule?

Thanks

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the pitcher actually knows the rule.

I guess by this you mean the pitcher realizes that if he tosses the glove/ball to the first baseman he won't get an out.

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It's obvious to everyone it's lodged in his glove

Well, if it's obvious to everyone (including the Umpire) that the ball is lodged, then I've got: "Time Out", ball is lodged and make the appropriate base award(s). I don't know of any interp that would indicate that I rule any other way under Fed Rules.

I suppose the pitcher might get away with one if he doesn't make it so obvious that the ball is lodged in his glove.

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Originally posted by coach2709:
Let's change this up some - the pitcher actually knows the rule. He gets the comebacker and reaches into his glove and realizes he can't get it out. It's obvious to everyone it's lodged in his glove - he holds his glove open and the ball is clearly between the fingers. But he hustles over and touches first base with his foot before the runner.

Is this still an out or would it fall under the lodged ball rule?

Thanks

The ball is dead when it becomes lodged.

If the umpire sees it lodged then he has to kill it and award the bases. If the pitcher can disquise it and beat the runner to first then he probably is OK. The chances of that happening are very, very slim.