A-rod intentionally knocks the ball out of arroyo's glove, and gets called on it!!!so will the attempt to cheat affect A-rods stock? and why did jeter have to stay at first? and what do we tell our children cheaters never prosper?
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Thats not cheating, it is apart of the game and has happened many times. Many other players would have done the same thing especially in a game like that.
Ok, Ok! It's bad enough to have the big white glove (think Mickey Mouse) slapping pathetically at Arroyo's arm, but then he has the NERVE (yes, I use this word rather than another) to stand there and argue with the umpire about it. Puh-LEAZE.
Oh, I forgot A-Rod. You're a Yankee now. You think you're above everyone/everything else.
SAD!
Oh, I forgot A-Rod. You're a Yankee now. You think you're above everyone/everything else.
SAD!
intentional interfearance is not an attempt to cheat? whats next the catcher grabbing the the bat before the batter swings? if my sons team did it to your sons team and got away with it,i think you would think differently! my opinion!
Very good call on the part of the umps.
My hats off to them for seeing it, and calling it properly.
Too bad they had to call in the police force afterwards to keep things under control, but what the heck, I guess we can't have everything.
My hats off to them for seeing it, and calling it properly.
Too bad they had to call in the police force afterwards to keep things under control, but what the heck, I guess we can't have everything.
why not give the umps microphones like football refs so they can announce thier descission and resoning. it helps quiet the fans in football
Question: same situation, but at home plate-what are the limits on what A-Rod could legally do? We've all seen catchers get creamed (Hello Pete, Hello Mr. Fosse) and apparently that's okay.
By the way, I agree, it was poor form for A-Wrong to argue what clearly was the right call. Like he doesn't know the television viewers were seeing the play over and over from 6 angles. No Jumbotron in Yankee Stadium?
By the way, I agree, it was poor form for A-Wrong to argue what clearly was the right call. Like he doesn't know the television viewers were seeing the play over and over from 6 angles. No Jumbotron in Yankee Stadium?
Desperate times require desperate measures.
RIPKENFAN,
From the Official Baseball Rules:
"Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch."
From the Official Baseball Rules:
"Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules. In the event the batter runner has not reached first base, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch."
Intentional interference was the correct call by the ump. A-Rod's arguing with the ump over a correct call, in poor taste.
Intentional interference is certainly against the rules of the game. It "is" intentional interference "if" the ump calls it that way -- but as umpires have varying degrees of tolerance, aggressive players will push the envelope.
In A-Rod's case, he had nothing to lose. He was out and knew it, took a chance at knocking the ball loose and hoping not to get called for it. He made it too obvious. Maximum penalty -- out at home. Nothing to lose. I don't view it as "cheating".
Before everyone jumps on, how many times have you seen a base runner plow into a catcher at home plate with the intention of running him over? How many times have you seen a base runner slide into second, three or four feet away from second base with legs in the air to break up a double play.
This too, happened in last night's game. Base runner intentionally slid into the defensive player covering second and knocked him for a complete somersault. Very aggressive play. Ump didn't call it intentional interference, so he got away with it. No call. No rule violation. No cheating.
Intentional interference is certainly against the rules of the game. It "is" intentional interference "if" the ump calls it that way -- but as umpires have varying degrees of tolerance, aggressive players will push the envelope.
In A-Rod's case, he had nothing to lose. He was out and knew it, took a chance at knocking the ball loose and hoping not to get called for it. He made it too obvious. Maximum penalty -- out at home. Nothing to lose. I don't view it as "cheating".
Before everyone jumps on, how many times have you seen a base runner plow into a catcher at home plate with the intention of running him over? How many times have you seen a base runner slide into second, three or four feet away from second base with legs in the air to break up a double play.
This too, happened in last night's game. Base runner intentionally slid into the defensive player covering second and knocked him for a complete somersault. Very aggressive play. Ump didn't call it intentional interference, so he got away with it. No call. No rule violation. No cheating.
Wow! Could you overreact any more? Cheating? C'mon.
Really glad to see the umpires get this right.
But, I'd do exactly what Arod did.
If they call it right....big deal.
But, if they get it wrong........we have a chance.
And, umpires are at best 50/50.
But, I'd do exactly what Arod did.
If they call it right....big deal.
But, if they get it wrong........we have a chance.
And, umpires are at best 50/50.
Someone with the ability to comment objectively...LOL
Please do so......regarding Mientkievicz
and his proximity, without the ball,
to first base.
I understand the call and agree with it...but no one is talking about this?
Please do so......regarding Mientkievicz
and his proximity, without the ball,
to first base.
I understand the call and agree with it...but no one is talking about this?
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Originally posted by Chill:
Someone with the ability to comment objectively...LOL
Please do so......regarding Mientkievicz
and his proximity, without the ball,
to first base.
I understand the call and agree with it...but no one is talking about this?
During that play, Mientkievicz was just an observing fan with the best "seat" in the house. If the tag was missed, then it would have been obstruction on his part. If the Red Sox had subsequently lost, Mientkievicz would have taken the place of Bill Buckner in Red Sox lore.
Theo Epstein would then have petitioned MLB during the off-season to do away with the position of "first base" and have base runners take a "loop-route" directly to 2nd. Embarressed by the Red Sox attempt to change the rules of baseball to hide their own ineptitude, fans would begin staying away in droves and Boston would become a 3A town with the MLB franchise moved to Pawtucket. No one in NY notices the change.
Chill, I guess that's an objective assessment, I normally follow just the National League. I prefer real baseball.
The umpires were 2 for 2 on reviews. Mintky was the third wheel on the play. Chill, was he obstructing ARod?
At the very least he cost Jetes a base or two, with two out.
At the very least he cost Jetes a base or two, with two out.
" If you ain't cheating you ain't trying."
I think I heard that somewhere. A-Rod was a dead out, why not try to knock it loose. What's the worst that could happen? If he allows himself to get tagged, he's out with Jeter at 2nd. Might as well give it a shot. If that was the only attempt at CHEATING, I use that term loosely,last night I'll buy that entire website tickets to tonights game 7.
I think I heard that somewhere. A-Rod was a dead out, why not try to knock it loose. What's the worst that could happen? If he allows himself to get tagged, he's out with Jeter at 2nd. Might as well give it a shot. If that was the only attempt at CHEATING, I use that term loosely,last night I'll buy that entire website tickets to tonights game 7.
Dad
I like the replay view from home plate better!
Understand the interference negates the obstuction......but yes......in a better angle I did think and Hardball Times confirmed....it *could* have been obstuction.
Better to treat it like a home-plate collision (which would have been whined about, too) and jar the ball loose......
I like the replay view from home plate better!
Understand the interference negates the obstuction......but yes......in a better angle I did think and Hardball Times confirmed....it *could* have been obstuction.
Better to treat it like a home-plate collision (which would have been whined about, too) and jar the ball loose......
I could go along with obstruction by Mintky. Give him the base, without the slappy stuff, only if Arroyo missed the tag, or legit dropped the ball.
Arod looked like he was starting to run wide to avoid the tag to me, but I could see obstruction called there, minus the slap.
Arod looked like he was starting to run wide to avoid the tag to me, but I could see obstruction called there, minus the slap.
This mornings paper had quotes from A-Rod indicating that he didn't realize that it was against the rules to try and slap the ball out of Arroyo's glove. If that was true, and from the way A-Rod reacted it may have been, then A-Rod was only guilty of not knowing the rules and he possibly paid for it by being called out. If he had simply run through to first there's a good chance he would have knocked the ball out of Arroyo's glove anyways and been safe. That's one argument.
The reality is that you could see him trying to show the umpire that he simply ran through and didn't slap at the ball. That means that he most likely added to his poor sportsmanship during the game with lies after the game to try and cover up.
What is the truth? Only A-Rod knows.
The reality is that you could see him trying to show the umpire that he simply ran through and didn't slap at the ball. That means that he most likely added to his poor sportsmanship during the game with lies after the game to try and cover up.
What is the truth? Only A-Rod knows.
A less than objective opinion.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=49973
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``It was a classless play. Unprofessional,'' said succinct Sox first baseman Kevin Millar . ``That's just as unprofessional as you're going to see. Play the game hard and play the game right. He's got to brush his teeth looking in the mirror, not with his head down.''
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=49973
Wow, what a game! Anyway, i really don't consider it cheating. Kind of like running into the catcher at the plate and trying to dislodge the ball. He broke the rules, the umpires got together and got the call right. Jeter must return to first because of runners interference. I would like to commend the umpires for getting together in a heated environment and making the right calls last night. Super job! Tonight's game should have more viewers than a world series game! And after this series, the world series will be anticlimatic. I don't think it was poor sportsmanship by Alex or the yankees. After all it was two great teams fighting hard for a victory. Don't let one play take away from what has been a truly great series. Oh one more thing, last nights interference, reminded me of another great "interference" call, does anyone remember in the World Series when Mr. October stuck out his hip against the Dodgers and never got called for it? Take care and don't miss tonights game, should be awesome!
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And after this series, the world series will be anticlimatic.
Unless you are from New England and they win.
I also noticed that fox hasn't show any pictures of Mr. Steinbrenner this series. Usually, he can be seen at least once a game, and this series he has been non-existent. Fox probably doesn't want to show pictures of Mr. Steinbrenner with his hands around Brian Cashman's throat.
There were several opportunities there for calls - interference and obstruction, and A-Rod running inside the line to first (another rule he's unfamiliar with, he said afterward that the line was his and he should have trucked him....interesting how that might have been called.) The umpires did a good job in simply reconstructing what was most likely to have happened, with the 'penalty' being Jeter back at first instead of at second where he would have been.
Torre was right in going out to 'discuss', he has to be seen to do that. He was also seen to be shoving A-Rod away. Competitive juices or no, A-Rod should have returned to the dugout without comment. He tried it, he got caught, sit down. It was not a respectable tactic.
Torre was right in going out to 'discuss', he has to be seen to do that. He was also seen to be shoving A-Rod away. Competitive juices or no, A-Rod should have returned to the dugout without comment. He tried it, he got caught, sit down. It was not a respectable tactic.
CADad,
Your post begs the question -
How much money do you need to get paid before you learn the rules??
Apparently A-Rod isn't getting
paid enough yet.
Your post begs the question -
How much money do you need to get paid before you learn the rules??
Apparently A-Rod isn't getting
paid enough yet.
Did anyone notice that the umpire called A-Rod safe BEFORE he stepped on first base? He ran PAST first base then came back and stepped on first once the ball had gotten away from the pitcher.
w/a $250 mil contract, I'da at least pretended I knew the rules - whatever the consequenses
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Originally posted by Catfish:
Did anyone notice that the umpire called A-Rod safe BEFORE he stepped on first base? He ran PAST first base then came back and stepped on first once the ball had gotten away from the pitcher.
The "Safe" signal was simply showing that there had not been a tag of the runner. The umpire had seen the ball come out (thus the "Safe" signal) but was blocked from seeing ARod's left hand slapping it away.
Who knew A-Rod had such a polished byotch-slap!
ps- I like the shirt Schilling had, but it's not his
ie - that was Georgia Tech's motto in the 2003 ACC tournament when they came out of the loser's bracket to win 3 games on the final day to win the 2003 ACC tournament (& it's engraved on my son's ring)
he prolly got it from Veritek
ie - that was Georgia Tech's motto in the 2003 ACC tournament when they came out of the loser's bracket to win 3 games on the final day to win the 2003 ACC tournament (& it's engraved on my son's ring)
he prolly got it from Veritek
PhoenixDad...Thanks for the clarification.
