Baseballregie
With all due respect, please reread what I wrote, this time with emphasis on comprehension.
If your son had in mind the school in question as a SOPHOMORE, then you are in a very small minority.
When we lived in Indiana, the only schools on my son's mind were Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. And at that time he occasionally played pickup basketball with several members of Valparaiso's Sweet 16 basketball team of years ago. His hockey-playing friends in the Chicago area weren't considering Bradley (my alma mater, for the record), they were looking at Illinois and Northwestern, then everybody else.
Where a kid CHOOSES to go can be that so-called dream school, but more often is not. It, hopefully, is the RIGHT school, based on "fit." But, usually, the DREAM school is different.
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
But for the hard of reading, it seems these schools in a winter Top 40 program discussion almost always fall, and will fall, below those "I-A football power conference" schools and, if you think about it, often even below schools like those in the Ivy League.
Those schools usually are the FIRST choice. Not necessarily the BEST choice.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OldVaman:
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
If you really think that Stetson and East Carolina are programs similar to Coastal's then I think my response to your earlier post was correct.
If you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't be insulting other programs.
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
If you really think that Stetson and East Carolina are programs similar to Coastal's then I think my response to your earlier post was correct.
If you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't be insulting other programs.
DaD04 my son pitched against The Jesuit HS from New Orleans and 3 of their guys went to LSU. Always emmed impressive.
quote:Originally posted by OldVaman:
Baseballregie
With all due respect, please reread what I wrote, this time with emphasis on comprehension.
If your son had in mind the school in question as a SOPHOMORE, then you are in a very small minority.
When we lived in Indiana, the only schools on my son's mind were Notre Dame, Purdue and Indiana. And at that time he occasionally played pickup basketball with several members of Valparaiso's Sweet 16 basketball team of years ago. His hockey-playing friends in the Chicago area weren't considering Bradley (my alma mater, for the record), they were looking at Illinois and Northwestern, then everybody else.
Where a kid CHOOSES to go can be that so-called dream school, but more often is not. It, hopefully, is the RIGHT school, based on "fit." But, usually, the DREAM school is different.
I use Coastal Carolina because that is the school most often used in this discussion. Just as easily could be Stetson, or East Carolina, or probably a dozen others, which I think we all can agree are in this peer group.
But for the hard of reading, it seems these schools in a winter Top 40 program discussion almost always fall, and will fall, below those "I-A football power conference" schools and, if you think about it, often even below schools like those in the Ivy League.
Those schools usually are the FIRST choice. Not necessarily the BEST choice.
Implying that we are too stupid (or cannot read correctly) to understand your lame-brained hypothetical does not fly here sir. Lets see if we can understand the brilliance:
10th grader would never dream of going to a lowly school like Coastal as his "dream" school initially because they are just not thought of the same way (by 10th graders) such as a "real" dream school like a major football power conference school or an IVY league school, or yada, yada, yada. We understood the point the first time and it still comes across as a slam because you even said you were not going to be "PC" in the original post.
Frankly, this whole knuckleheaded conversation is starting to sound like sour grapes to me. None of us care (at least baseballregie and me) what a 10th grader thinks since it is unrelated to this topic. We have no way of knowing for sure and who the heck cares. It appears the hypothetical may have been invented to sweeten grapes that must taste so very bitter at this point in time (free Dr. Phil advice - lose the attitude). You can now cite US News and World Reports on Coastal's academic reputation (very good in Marine Sciences btw) but I assure you, it is indeed a dream school for a baseball player.
If you take what I've written as a slam, then I feel sorry for you.
Clearly you are a tad touchy on the subject. You seem to have the need to defend something that is not the subject of attack, but conversational debate.
A Top-40 team is not necessarily a top-40 program is not necessarily a top-40 school. I happen to believe the definition of a top-40 program is one that is attractive to would-be recruits even before they do any serious investigation.
With that in mind, I don't think many schools from non-power conferences measure up. To hope to break onto that list, a school needs in my mind at least 10 years of sustained national-level success, possibly more.
If you see that as some sort of sour grapes, again, I feel sorry for you. I hope someday you find a level of comfort that some of us already have. My guess is that, as soon as your child is no longer part of the equation, that might begin to happen.
Clearly you are a tad touchy on the subject. You seem to have the need to defend something that is not the subject of attack, but conversational debate.
A Top-40 team is not necessarily a top-40 program is not necessarily a top-40 school. I happen to believe the definition of a top-40 program is one that is attractive to would-be recruits even before they do any serious investigation.
With that in mind, I don't think many schools from non-power conferences measure up. To hope to break onto that list, a school needs in my mind at least 10 years of sustained national-level success, possibly more.
If you see that as some sort of sour grapes, again, I feel sorry for you. I hope someday you find a level of comfort that some of us already have. My guess is that, as soon as your child is no longer part of the equation, that might begin to happen.
OLDV you are sounding foolish every time you post on this thread.
I have been to Coastal and it is a school many would love to attend. It is a nationally ranked school with a successful program. Not sure what your point is.
I have been to Coastal and it is a school many would love to attend. It is a nationally ranked school with a successful program. Not sure what your point is.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think I can relate to nearly all of the points of view on this thread. They all, at least in part, make some sense to me and I could see siding with them depending on real-life experiences. I didn't read every word or every single post, but I don't see much foolishness in most of the posts.
There are programs I wouldn't want my sons to play for, but it has nothing to do with rankings or top-40 or bottom-40. Location, academics (different for each kid of mine), campus, facilities, opportunities, coaching staff, etc... (finding a place where my son could grow up and look back on college with a great big smile) are more important IMO.
I thought it was a fun topic to throw out there PGStaff and its been fun to read.
But where are the Bearcats?
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There are programs I wouldn't want my sons to play for, but it has nothing to do with rankings or top-40 or bottom-40. Location, academics (different for each kid of mine), campus, facilities, opportunities, coaching staff, etc... (finding a place where my son could grow up and look back on college with a great big smile) are more important IMO.
I thought it was a fun topic to throw out there PGStaff and its been fun to read.
But where are the Bearcats?
............quote:I feel sorry for you.
Thank you for your concern. I am crying cyber-uncle. Please know that you have the last word and that you have won the debate.
Can we talk about Army now?
How about Charleston Southern?
Anyone else care to discuss their son's program? A piece of paper with numbers on it does not define a player or a team. Is anyone out there just dying to break out and say something? Do you hate this topic? Do you believe your son's team has a chance to show people what they are made of? Do you believe your son's team has been snubbed? I know what that feels like and it is great motivation for an athlete to prove'em wrong.
quote:...but I don't see much foolishness in most of the posts.
Whew!
Woodie - Notice the word "most."
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think I can relate to nearly all of the points of view on this thread. They all, at least in part, make some sense to me and I could see siding with them depending on real-life experiences. I didn't read every word or every single post, but I don't see much foolishness in most of the posts.
There are programs I wouldn't want my sons to play for, but it has nothing to do with rankings or top-40 or bottom-40. Location, academics (different for each kid of mine), campus, facilities, opportunities, coaching staff, etc... (finding a place where my son could grow up and look back on college with a great big smile) are more important IMO.
I thought it was a fun topic to throw out there PGStaff and its been fun to read.
But where are the Bearcats?
Just - We think alike. I suggest folks consider what's a fit for them and not from a list when choosing a college. Agree though, this has been an interesting topic to follow.
As far as that Cincy - I thought their baseball program was on the rise. The coaching staff seemed well respected and a gorgeous new field and stadium a few years ago. However, I've known several kids go there and leave for various reasons. Perhaps they'll continue to make positive strides though and build that program upward - we'll see.
"most". Duly noted. 
Woody,
For keeping it real, this dream's on me.
For keeping it real, this dream's on me.
PG crosscheckers ranked Coastal 44th so someone must wamt to go there.
Rival has them ranked 23rd in the nation.
TOP 100 TEAMS
Compiled by Allan Simpson/Jeff Simpson
1. ARIZONA
2. ARIZONA STATE
3. TEXAS
4. MIAMI (Fla.)
5. VANDERBILT
6. SOUTH CAROLINA
7. UCLA
8. SAN DIEGO
9. MISSISSIPPI
10. MISSOURI
11. NORTH CAROLINA
12. WICHITA STATE
13. FLORIDA STATE
14. OKLAHOMA STATE
15. MICHIGAN
16. OREGON STATE
17. BAYLOR
18. VIRGINIA
19. RICE
20. AUBURN
21. LONG BEACH STATE
22. CLEMSON
23. CALIFORNIA
24. GEORGIA
25. CAL STATE FULLERTON
26. TEXAS A&M
27. FRESNO STATE
28. PEPPERDINE
29. GEORGIA TECH
30. KENTUCKY
31. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
32. ARKANSAS
33. NORTH CAROLINA STATE
34. LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
35. OLD DOMINION
36. COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON
37. MISSISSIPPI STATE
38. ST. JOHN’S
39. TULANE
40. LOUISVILLE
41. STANFORD
42. LOUISIANA STATE
43. KENT STATE
44. COASTAL CAROLINA
45. OKLAHOMA
46. WAKE FOREST
47. EAST CAROLINA
48. CAL POLY
49. NOTRE DAME
50. KANSAS STATE
51. TEXAS CHRISTIAN
52. UC RIVERSIDE
53. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
54. STETSON
55. LOUISIANA TECH
56. UC IRVINE
57. SAN DIEGO STATE
58. ALABAMA
59. SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
60. WESTERN CAROLINA
61. CREIGHTON
62. NEBRASKA
63. CHARLOTTE
64. CENTRAL FLORIDA
65. NEW ORLEANS
66. **** ROBERTS
67. FLORIDA ATLANTIC
68. FLORIDA
69. WASHINGTON STATE
70. OHIO STATE
71. HAWAII
72. PENN STATE
73. RUTGERS
74. MINNESOTA
75. CENTRAL MICHIGAN
76. TENNESSEE
77. SOUTH FLORIDA
78. TEXAS TECH
79. WASHINGTON
80. NEVADA
81. VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH
82. BRIGHAM YOUNG
83. KENNESAW STATE
84. PURDUE
85. SANTA CLARA
86. SOUTH ALABAMA
87. SAN JOSE STATE
88. TEXAS STATE
89. TROY
90. GEORGIA SOUTHERN
91. KANSAS
92. JACKSONVILLE
93. SAM HOUSTON STATE
94. CINCINNATI
95. UNC WILMINGTON
96. CONNECTICUT
97. NEW MEXICO
98. MICHIGAN STATE
99. GONZAGA
100. RICHMOND
Rival has them ranked 23rd in the nation.
TOP 100 TEAMS
Compiled by Allan Simpson/Jeff Simpson
1. ARIZONA
2. ARIZONA STATE
3. TEXAS
4. MIAMI (Fla.)
5. VANDERBILT
6. SOUTH CAROLINA
7. UCLA
8. SAN DIEGO
9. MISSISSIPPI
10. MISSOURI
11. NORTH CAROLINA
12. WICHITA STATE
13. FLORIDA STATE
14. OKLAHOMA STATE
15. MICHIGAN
16. OREGON STATE
17. BAYLOR
18. VIRGINIA
19. RICE
20. AUBURN
21. LONG BEACH STATE
22. CLEMSON
23. CALIFORNIA
24. GEORGIA
25. CAL STATE FULLERTON
26. TEXAS A&M
27. FRESNO STATE
28. PEPPERDINE
29. GEORGIA TECH
30. KENTUCKY
31. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
32. ARKANSAS
33. NORTH CAROLINA STATE
34. LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
35. OLD DOMINION
36. COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON
37. MISSISSIPPI STATE
38. ST. JOHN’S
39. TULANE
40. LOUISVILLE
41. STANFORD
42. LOUISIANA STATE
43. KENT STATE
44. COASTAL CAROLINA
45. OKLAHOMA
46. WAKE FOREST
47. EAST CAROLINA
48. CAL POLY
49. NOTRE DAME
50. KANSAS STATE
51. TEXAS CHRISTIAN
52. UC RIVERSIDE
53. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
54. STETSON
55. LOUISIANA TECH
56. UC IRVINE
57. SAN DIEGO STATE
58. ALABAMA
59. SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
60. WESTERN CAROLINA
61. CREIGHTON
62. NEBRASKA
63. CHARLOTTE
64. CENTRAL FLORIDA
65. NEW ORLEANS
66. **** ROBERTS
67. FLORIDA ATLANTIC
68. FLORIDA
69. WASHINGTON STATE
70. OHIO STATE
71. HAWAII
72. PENN STATE
73. RUTGERS
74. MINNESOTA
75. CENTRAL MICHIGAN
76. TENNESSEE
77. SOUTH FLORIDA
78. TEXAS TECH
79. WASHINGTON
80. NEVADA
81. VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH
82. BRIGHAM YOUNG
83. KENNESAW STATE
84. PURDUE
85. SANTA CLARA
86. SOUTH ALABAMA
87. SAN JOSE STATE
88. TEXAS STATE
89. TROY
90. GEORGIA SOUTHERN
91. KANSAS
92. JACKSONVILLE
93. SAM HOUSTON STATE
94. CINCINNATI
95. UNC WILMINGTON
96. CONNECTICUT
97. NEW MEXICO
98. MICHIGAN STATE
99. GONZAGA
100. RICHMOND
Rivals gave CC a good review, expecting them to host again.
BA claims they left them out of the top 25 (see the chat log) until they could see them play, based on their pitching rotation.
I don't think that they are not highly regarded as a force in college baseball.
IMO, I think that it's better to work your way up the rankings than down.
BA claims they left them out of the top 25 (see the chat log) until they could see them play, based on their pitching rotation.
I don't think that they are not highly regarded as a force in college baseball.
IMO, I think that it's better to work your way up the rankings than down.
quote:IMO, I think that it's better to work your way up the rankings than down.
Well it depends really...
TOP 100 TEAMS
Compiled by Allan Simpson/Jeff Simpson
100. RICHMOND
99. GONZAGA
98. MICHIGAN STATE
97. NEW MEXICO
96. CONNECTICUT
95. UNC WILMINGTON
94. CINCINNATI
93. SAM HOUSTON STATE
92. JACKSONVILLE
91. KANSAS
90. GEORGIA SOUTHERN
89. TROY
88. TEXAS STATE
87. SAN JOSE STATE
86. SOUTH ALABAMA
85. SANTA CLARA
84. PURDUE
83. KENNESAW STATE
82. BRIGHAM YOUNG
81. VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH
80. NEVADA
79. WASHINGTON
78. TEXAS TECH
77. SOUTH FLORIDA
76. TENNESSEE
75. CENTRAL MICHIGAN
74. MINNESOTA
73. RUTGERS
72. PENN STATE
71. HAWAII
70. OHIO STATE
69. WASHINGTON STATE
68. FLORIDA
67. FLORIDA ATLANTIC
66.
ROBERTS65. NEW ORLEANS
64. CENTRAL FLORIDA
63. CHARLOTTE
62. NEBRASKA
61. CREIGHTON
60. WESTERN CAROLINA
59. SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
58. ALABAMA
57. SAN DIEGO STATE
56. UC IRVINE
55. LOUISIANA TECH
54. STETSON
53. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
52. UC RIVERSIDE
51. TEXAS CHRISTIAN
50. KANSAS STATE
49. NOTRE DAME
48. CAL POLY
47. EAST CAROLINA
46. WAKE FOREST
45. OKLAHOMA
44. COASTAL CAROLINA
43. KENT STATE
42. LOUISIANA STATE
41. STANFORD
40. LOUISVILLE
39. TULANE
38. ST. JOHN’S
37. MISSISSIPPI STATE
36. COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON
35. OLD DOMINION
34. LOUISIANA-LAFAYETTE
33. NORTH CAROLINA STATE
32. ARKANSAS
31. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
30. KENTUCKY
29. GEORGIA TECH
28. PEPPERDINE
27. FRESNO STATE
26. TEXAS A&M
25. CAL STATE FULLERTON
24. GEORGIA
23. CALIFORNIA
22. CLEMSON
21. LONG BEACH STATE
20. AUBURN
19. RICE
18. VIRGINIA
17. BAYLOR
16. OREGON STATE
15. MICHIGAN
14. OKLAHOMA STATE
13. FLORIDA STATE
12. WICHITA STATE
11. NORTH CAROLINA
10. MISSOURI
9. MISSISSIPPI
8. SAN DIEGO
7. UCLA
6. SOUTH CAROLINA
5. VANDERBILT
4. MIAMI (Fla.)
3. TEXAS
2. ARIZONA STATE
1. ARIZONA
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OK...have to say this...
I am certain that the initial post in this thread was well intentioned and a topic well worth an interesting disucussion...
...but knew up front that such a topic also puts us in a "room full of toes"...any step in any direction is going to step on some...virtually any post that is made with an intention at discussion is going to step on someones...
Controversy and emotion comes with this territory...
Tread lightly...
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OK...have to say this...
I am certain that the initial post in this thread was well intentioned and a topic well worth an interesting disucussion...
...but knew up front that such a topic also puts us in a "room full of toes"...any step in any direction is going to step on some...virtually any post that is made with an intention at discussion is going to step on someones...
Controversy and emotion comes with this territory...
Tread lightly...
44.
O44 I agree but the comments made no sense to me. They realy had nothing to do with the discussion as far as a personal opinion about what other people think about CC. How does he know hat people think out side his limited circle of players ?
There are lots of colleges I never heard of until my son went to college and actually after he went. One guy I know well went to CC. He was drafted 2times before he went and just got drafted out of CC. He could have gone any where.
I just feel the remarks were un called for. Most guys reaserch and pick colleges based on their own requirements. Top team was not veven a consideration. If it was CC would be a good choice.
There are lots of colleges I never heard of until my son went to college and actually after he went. One guy I know well went to CC. He was drafted 2times before he went and just got drafted out of CC. He could have gone any where.
I just feel the remarks were un called for. Most guys reaserch and pick colleges based on their own requirements. Top team was not veven a consideration. If it was CC would be a good choice.
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BHD...
Sorry not speaking spcifically - not directed to your post
I was just speaking generally...thread was guaranteed to get contentious...
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BHD...
Sorry not speaking spcifically - not directed to your post
I was just speaking generally...thread was guaranteed to get contentious...
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As far as avoiding mashing toes I suppose we all could learn some lessons from the best!
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quote:..but knew up front that such a topic also puts us in a "room full of toes"...any step in any direction is going to step on some...virtually any post that is made with an intention at discussion is going to step on someones...
As far as avoiding mashing toes I suppose we all could learn some lessons from the best!
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I agree with you O44. It was bound to get contentious and I thought that it would as soon as I saw it. I still found it interesting. It gave some real insight to me on how folks look at something like this (and in a way, what they think is important in picking a program) from different angles. I guess I knew that anyways, but I got a little deeper insight into it and it kind of got me thinking about my own views of such things.
I'm not sure the topic is terribly important in the grand scheme of things. But its still interesting to read everyone's thoughts...at least for me it was.
Four years ago no one would have put Oregon State on that list, yet they rose up and pounded a sledgehammer into their place on it. Four years ago I thought it was a given that my son would pitch in the CWS. Hasn't happened...yet.
From my angle on these things (today...could change tomorrow
), a top-40 program is one my sons (or daughters) can play in, be challenged, contribute and be happy. A top-40 college in general would be one that he/she can be challenged, find a niche academically and socially, enjoy the campus life and be successful (different answer for each of my kids).
But in general, which is I think what PGStaff had in mind, a "top-40 baseball program" is probably one that has most of the following: a winning tradition, stability, a sustained record of kids moving on to the pros, good facilities, quality coaching and a consistently highly desired destination by the top players.
In a football sense, I wish my Cincinnati Bearcats fit into that category, but they do not (yet). They were a very good team this past year, but I don't see them as a top-40 football program at all. In fact, I would say the recently weak Stanford football team isn't either but they are much closer to a top-40 program even though they would have been hammered this past year by Cincinnati.
Hope that all makes sense. But I'll bet I offended someone. Sorry.
I'm not sure the topic is terribly important in the grand scheme of things. But its still interesting to read everyone's thoughts...at least for me it was.
Four years ago no one would have put Oregon State on that list, yet they rose up and pounded a sledgehammer into their place on it. Four years ago I thought it was a given that my son would pitch in the CWS. Hasn't happened...yet.
From my angle on these things (today...could change tomorrow
But in general, which is I think what PGStaff had in mind, a "top-40 baseball program" is probably one that has most of the following: a winning tradition, stability, a sustained record of kids moving on to the pros, good facilities, quality coaching and a consistently highly desired destination by the top players.
In a football sense, I wish my Cincinnati Bearcats fit into that category, but they do not (yet
). They were a very good team this past year, but I don't see them as a top-40 football program at all. In fact, I would say the recently weak Stanford football team isn't either but they are much closer to a top-40 program even though they would have been hammered this past year by Cincinnati.Hope that all makes sense. But I'll bet I offended someone. Sorry.
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quote:...I still found it interesting. It gave some real insight to me on how folks look at something like this (and in a way, what they think is important in picking a program) from different angles. I guess I knew that anyways, but I got a little deeper insight into it and it kind of got me thinking about my own views of such things.
I'm not sure the topic is terribly important in the grand scheme of things. But its still interesting to read everyone's thoughts...at least for me it was.
Four years ago no one would have put Oregon State on that list, yet they rose up and pounded a sledgehammer into their place on it. Four years ago I thought it was a given that my son would pitch in the CWS. Hasn't happened...yet.
From my angle on these things (today...could change tomorrow ), a top-40 program is one my sons (or daughters) can play in, be challenged, contribute and be happy. A top-40 college in general would be one that he/she can be challenged, find a niche academically and socially, enjoy the campus life and be successful (different answer for each of my kids).
But in general, which is I think what PGStaff had in mind, a "top-40 baseball program" is probably one that has most of the following: a winning tradition, stability, a sustained record of kids moving on to the pros, good facilities, quality coaching and a consistently highly desired destination by the top players.
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TD,
You have a pm.
You have a pm.
44 no reason to appologize. I agree with what you said.
I have a different view of top 40 and look at it simple as what have you done lately and who is leaving and who is coming in. It is a best guess for what you expect this coming season.
If you are talking about top 40 recruiting wise then nmany other factors come into play.
Also I would rather play against them than with them. playing well has a bigger meaning when you play against them especially for pitchers.
I have a different view of top 40 and look at it simple as what have you done lately and who is leaving and who is coming in. It is a best guess for what you expect this coming season.
If you are talking about top 40 recruiting wise then nmany other factors come into play.
Also I would rather play against them than with them. playing well has a bigger meaning when you play against them especially for pitchers.
quote:Also I would rather play against them than with them. playing well has a bigger meaning when you play against them especially for pitchers.
I agree with you Bobblehead-
Although I'm sure my son would have went to one of these schools if heavily recruited by one of them, he is excited to be where he is at and has the opportunity to play against the big boys like the Texas Longhorns, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma Sooners, Alabama, TCU, Texas A&m and Baylor, all on his schedule this year.
TGF Saw your son's schedule and it looks great.
justbaseball: 
Thought I would throw the last one in there for the Bearkats.
Personally, I still remember the Big O going against Loyola of Chicago, but I might be a bit lonely with that recall?
I used to practice incessantly with that jump shot. Problem was I couldn't jump, wasn't 6'6", couldn't control the ball with one hand...well, you get it. When you think he averaged a triple double...for the season, you realize how great, and under appreciated he was..along with Jack Twyman?
While I respect that each of us view this through very different eyes, to me, it isn't who you play that is the measurement, it is how you perform, no matter who is the opponent.
Thought I would throw the last one in there for the Bearkats.
Personally, I still remember the Big O going against Loyola of Chicago, but I might be a bit lonely with that recall?
While I respect that each of us view this through very different eyes, to me, it isn't who you play that is the measurement, it is how you perform, no matter who is the opponent.
You talkin' about this guy infielddad? 
This is one of my favorite all time sports photos and it hangs in our game room.
I've taken my kids down to get his autograph at UC games in the past and "The Big O" has always been tremendously accommodating and gracious.
This is one of my favorite all time sports photos and it hangs in our game room.
I've taken my kids down to get his autograph at UC games in the past and "The Big O" has always been tremendously accommodating and gracious.
Wow, Justbaseball!!! I've never seen that picture, but it is awesome!!
Oscar was one of the greatest to ever play on the hardcourt
Yup, that's him, just as I remember him.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Iverson could learn a thing or two from "O" with regard to class
An example of a 2003 preseason rank and final 2003 RPI:
Georgia Tech 1/ 9
Rice 2/ 4
Stanford 3/ 1
Florida State 4/ 2
Texas 5/ 8
Southern Cal 6/ 41
Wake Forest 7/ 62
Arizona State 8/ 13
Louisiana St 9/ 6
Baylor 10/ 10
Houston 11/ 24
Notre Dame 12/ 47
Cal St Fuller 13/ 5
South Carolina 14/ 22
Richmond 15/ 26
Long Beach St 16/ 12
Mississippi St 17/ 17
Stetson 18/ 45
Clemson 19/ 15
Nebraska 20/ 20
Auburn 21/ 7
North Carolina 22/ 16
South Alabama 23/ 19
Florida Atl 24/ 23
Va. Common 25/ 31
Georgia Tech 1/ 9
Rice 2/ 4
Stanford 3/ 1
Florida State 4/ 2
Texas 5/ 8
Southern Cal 6/ 41
Wake Forest 7/ 62
Arizona State 8/ 13
Louisiana St 9/ 6
Baylor 10/ 10
Houston 11/ 24
Notre Dame 12/ 47
Cal St Fuller 13/ 5
South Carolina 14/ 22
Richmond 15/ 26
Long Beach St 16/ 12
Mississippi St 17/ 17
Stetson 18/ 45
Clemson 19/ 15
Nebraska 20/ 20
Auburn 21/ 7
North Carolina 22/ 16
South Alabama 23/ 19
Florida Atl 24/ 23
Va. Common 25/ 31
AHHHHHHH Come on NOW we all know IA should be listed here!
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I don't know if anybody noticed, but Coastal Carolina IS included?!