Top Salaries of Little League and Babe Ruth Baseball officers

Mr411,

OK - here is what I got so far.

Stephen D. Keener - Pres/CEO
36 - Tightie whities.
Brand - Fruit of the Loom

Dave Houseknecht - CFO
40 - Tightie whities
Brand - Hanes

James Stopper
38 - Tightie whities.
Brand - Fruit of the Loom.


Hard to believe that after all these years I have to do this type of research at the request of a horse's ***. LOL. But you gotta do what you gotta do - Right?

Next up - Size of their front lawns and their latest vehicle purchase.

Stay tuned- its gonna get really interesting.

TPM,

I think that posting working people's salaries on this site is disgusting.

It make me want to puke.

You can welcome this "newcomer" anyway you want.

And I will welcome him anyway I want - until you erase my post. LOL

And that is that.

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Originally posted by TPM:
I am not sure the reason for criticism for Mr411's first topic here, just why did he post it in two different threads. Regardless whether he has an agenda or not, is this how we welcome new members?

BTW Mr411, welcome to the HSBBW!

Thanks TMP.

For the others, you know, you don't have to READ or POST on this thread.

I thought if you don't have any positive to post, then don't post. I have NOT posting anything negative. I have shared information that some posters on here have no problem with it.

I would appreciate it very much that a few of you stop with the inflammatory remarks already.

Thank You,
Mr411

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quote:
Originally posted by tumblebug:
A six figure salary dispels the myth, "It's all about the kids."

Originally posted by Mr411:
Hard to dispute that quote.

Mr411, your comment on page 2 of this thread leads me to believe that you disapprove of the "high" salaries LL administrators are making. Having had a son who played LL for 8 years in a wonderful league, I am thrilled that the top administrators are willing to accept relatively low pay to oversee my son's league and 7300 other leagues around the world. There is only one paid employee for every 40,000 LL participants and adult volunteers, and I can only imagine the skillset that is needed to oversee this complex and widespread organization with operations in 75 countries. I would imagine that these administrators, given their broad-based skills and expertise, could easily find jobs paying two-three times more but choose instead to work for LL because of their love of the game and their love of kids. My hat is off to them.

TPM & Others, Here is the source of my objection to Mr411's posting(s) ...

I saw the posting shortly after it went up. Context: it was a posting of the salaries of LL officials, during the time of year when LL is most visible (the LL World Series); supported by no useful context such as "isn't this too much to pay people working in a youth non-profit", or "don't these people do a great thing for so little", or "look kids, there are great careers to be found in basball off the field." All of which would have been fair game in my opinion.

The only significant context within which this data (not information) was shared was the general climate of class warfare over executive compensation being played out in the papers and on TV these past many months. Publishing data without context, in a time of tension, is a time warn method used by people advocating or agitating for a position. Some use the data to openly advocate their position; others prefer to try to hide their position, hoping to stir up a conflict that takes on a life of its own.

Think about it ... Do you know anybody who would take the time to research this "public information", seek out a forum in which to post it -- in two different areas -- without having their own feelings one way or the other about the information they are "ssharing"?

We see individuals and organizations attempt to spark controversy this way on a regular basis in the region of the country where I live (yes, we're from Washington and we're here to help). At first, I thought "this will be interesting" and was determined not to participate.

Initially, many of our "old timers", who offer much great advice, politely asked the purpose and context of such a posting. Mr411 remained coy, choosing to stake out the misunderstood victim position, rather than simply answer why he thinks this data is important to dig up & share. In my experience, this is not uncommon when the real motivation is simply to stir up a controversy.

Finally "tumblebug" took the bait, and we saw these postings:

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quote:
Originally posted by tumblebug:
A six figure salary dispels the myth, "It's all about the kids."


Mr411: Hard to dispute that quote.

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That was when I felt it was appropriate to challenge Mr411's sincerity and motivation; which I did. I strive to be courteous and respectful to others in anything I post, anywhere. After seeing that Mr411's only postings were on this one topic -- under two titles, in two forums -- I felt that challenging his real motivation was fair game.

I for one have found a great deal of value in the knowledge and experiences the members of this community freely share. My son has benefited greatly from what many of you have shared with us. Yes, there are conflicts from time to time, over both substance and style; but I have found the people here to be genuinely interested in helping each other help kids pursue their dreams, both on and off the field.

I do not wish to see this community split by what came across to me as a clear attempt to leverage the tool of class warfare to stir up an otherwise non-existant controversy. Sorry, but I do believe that was Mr411's reason for "sharing". If I am wrong, then accept my apologies. I may simply be jaded by the other neighborhood I live in.

Either way, I've said my piece, and will bow out of this discussion.

southpaw_dad - you are not alone in your feelings as I feel the same way.

I think everyone has had a chance to chime in on this one. Mr411 - no need to make your silly/innane point anymore as we understand you just innocently started a "baseball" topic For those that think this is a useful thread, you can continue to refer to "the data" as many times as you like.

It would still be appreciated if our members would provide some "context" when they post as piaa_ump pointed out and now southpaw_dad. Just because something is related to baseball does not "necessarily/automatically" justify a topic imho and by reviewing the comments in this thread many of our members do not seem to appreciate it.

As far as context, let me give a few examples. One member posts a picture of a batting glove and nothing else. On one hand it is related to baseball but... Another member posts Bud Selig's wedding anniversary as the sole point of the topic. Surely we can all agree that is a "useful/relevant" baseball topic - eh? itsinthegame also provided some other "baseball" examples by noting the underwear brand of the "baseball" participants involved

southpaw_dad,
No need for apologies.

Perhaps if the OP was a long time poster, he would have known how to post correctly, for whatever correctly is. For instance, if I was posting that, I would have asked, what do you think about this, etc for discussion purposes. Perhaps all new posters should be given the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he just didn't post it to our liking. Perhaps we should post rules on how to start a topic? Perhaps he did come trying to stir up controversy, perhaps he isn't a new poster at all (as this happens often). But I see oldtimers do the same continually, we just don't say much when we because we know the person is a regular in our community. And FWIW, I never gave my opinion regarding the whole thing anyway, just wondering why he was getting heat.

I have also seen, as CD commented, some topics where I just can't figure out why it was posted, but usually done by a person we know and are familiar with and know they mean no harm.

It's all in the perception, there are others who did not have a problem with it, just as those that did.

As far as posting salaries, how is this different than posting a young man's signing bonus? This happens all of the time, and just recently my son's was refered to, I didn't see anyone comment on that, but that is public knowledge and there is nothing I can do to stop that, whether it is in poor taste or not.
JMO.

Anyone who is interested, I didn't close this topic.