Touching / helping a runner

In the case of the girl that injured herself on the HR, she should have been replaced and the sub finish her trot. In the second case, I don't know the NCAA softball rule. I believe you are correct but I am not sure.
I read the article and sent the writer a note. He railed about how unfair it was that the opposing manager talked the umpires into the call. My point is if the call really should have been a warning then why didn't the offensive argue that fact and protest. Instead of whining about it the next day, the manager should have known the right rule and argued it in real time.

Similar situation happened in MLB a few years ago.

I think it was Gabe Kapler of the Red Sox on base when a HR was hit. He blew out his achillies tendon running out the HR. The hitter simply stopped several steps behind him and waited (a long time) while Kapler was attended to and eventually replaced by a PR, who finished the tour around the bases.

I don't remember who hit it, but he must hold some kind of record for a 15-20 minute HR trot.

I don't know the softball rule, but it seems pretty lame to suggest that a few high fives around third would negate a walkoff HR. Of course, softball has more wierd/stupid/peculiar rules than I care to know.

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No offense to any umpires, but softball leaves WAY more opportunities for the umpires to determine the outcome of games than makes sense. Between leaving early, illegal pitches and all the other unusual stuff it borders on inane.

My favorite is when coach yells, "runner for my pitcher" and some girl runs across the field to take a base. Umpire then spends 2 minutes (of the 80 minute time limit) reaching into his pocket, searching for a pen, opening up his little notebook, asking for the numbers of the pitcher and base runner, licking the end of the pen to get the ink flowing, writing down the number, putting pen and notebook away, fixing his mask and getting ready for play. I swear I've purchased new automobiles faster than these guys note a PR.
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Thanks to you baseball guys who just yell "#6 running for the pitcher!" and get on with it.

Thanks guys. JMoff I actually put down on my lineup card who my courtesy runners are for my pitchers and catchers. I already know who I want to do it so why not go ahead and put them on there to help speed up the process?

In softball the coaches usually have a girl with a helmet on ready to go.

Its the umpires who seem to be the big delay...

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Originally posted by JMoff:
Its the umpires who seem to be the big delay...

That night be fine in rec league games, but in FED or higher games, I will take the time neccesary to properly record all changes and conferences.....later in the game, I will not be caught not knowing who is or who is not eligible....

Giving a coach and answer of "sorry coach, I didnt take the time to record the proper runners, substitutions or conferences so it would not hold up the game an extra minute" wont hold water......

I don't think I've ever seen an umpire record who was the Courtesy Runner for the catcher or the pitcher. Substitutions are hit or miss as to whether the umpire records those. During the summer, very few do. But most will record the defensive conferences and such..

Like PIAA I record everything. The secret is to have it set up before hand. I use a line-up wallet that has the confernce by inning built in. Then I write on the outside of the folded up line-up the name of the team, so I can pull it at a glance, and F1/CR, F2/CR below it. When it happens I simply pull the correct card and put the number of the CR beside F1 or F2 accordingly. It is faster than most CRs can get a helmet and to the base.

I've seen baseball umpires do it and they seem to just pull out the notebook, make a note and move on, maybe 10-15 seconds, no big deal.

The softball guys just seem like it takes forever, seriously at least 45 seconds. Like they're writing a chapter in a book...

A pet peeve, I'll let it go.

NO one can be put out when the ball is dead. On a home run the ball is dead thus the team can carry the person around the bases, lower him/her softly to touch each base and it would count as run.

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Originally posted by NavyUmp:
One one can be put out when the ball is dead.

How many ways can you name?

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by NavyUmp:
One one can be put out when the ball is dead.

How many ways can you name?

Corrected to say "NO one..."

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Originally posted by NavyUmp:
NO one can be put out when the ball is dead.

How about a successful dead-ball appeal? Or the batter, after hitting one out of the park, runs the bases in reverse order to make a travesty of the game?

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by NavyUmp:
NO one can be put out when the ball is dead.

How about a successful dead-ball appeal? Or the batter, after hitting one out of the park, runs the bases in reverse order to make a travesty of the game?

Those were the only two I could think of. Of course, deadball appeals occur in FED only.

I think desertion and abandonment can also occur when the ball is dead, however unusual that case may be.

Passing a runner.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Passing a runner.

Can't do that when the ball is dead.

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Can't do that [passing a runner] when the ball is dead.

Well, consider this situation: slow runner A is on 3rd and speedy runner B is on 2nd. Time is called and following an offensive conference we find B is on 3rd and A is on second.

Frequently this will lead to outs and perhaps ejections. Internet umpires often suggest that a rationale for calling B out is that he passed A. So maybe that is an example of passing during a dead ball.

Here's a general observation:
This may be only a semantic distinction, but offensive players can't be put out by the actions of the defense during a dead ball. They can be called out following a successful dead ball appeal (FED), and the other scenarios already mentioned in this thread.