Transfer DI to DII

What is the rest of story?

How can anyone give you advice without knowing the entire story?

INFbbmom,
Welcome to the HSBBW.

Couple of things. First being a D1 calibur player does not mean you will get the playing time you think that you deserve, especially the first two years. There are many circimstances, two big ones being who is in line in front of you and their talent and experience.

The coach should not have made a promise he couldn't keep.

Transfering may bring the same set of circumstances and may not guarantee he will play more at a D11 than the D1 he is at now.

You most likely will get a variety of opinions and advice on what he should do. Sometimes it's easier to give advice to others, but I actually would not know what advice to give to my own player if in the situation.

You don't have to feel that you need to give all of the details, everyone's circumstances are different, only your son can decide what is best for him.

Best of luck.

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"How can anyone give you advice without knowing the entire story?"

Fair enough...let's start at the very beginning.



And after lots and lots of begetting through the centuries INFbbmom gave birth to a son who eventually became a sophomore in college playing baseball for a Division 1 team. He's frustrated and perplexed by his situation on his baseball team. What should he do?

GW,
Depends on whether that's the old or the new version!

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And after lots and lots of begetting through the centuries

You left out a few yada, yada, yadas.

I have to give gotwood4sale kudos for imagination. Thanks for making me laugh at what has been a very trying year. I didn't get into the whole story actually for fear of boring everyone with the details and sounding too whiney. The main thing I guess is my son's fear of trusting a coach who has done this to many players. We heard alot of the typical sideline talk from other parents but as we as parents were told by the coach that the position was his next year, we felt that our son didn't misunderstand and actually was going to start. Then we thought, several games in that maybe he would get playing time in non conference games...but no...and then we tried to figure out if maybe sonny boy said something to someone and it got back to the coach. Anything to try to figure out what the problem was? But to date we have not one answer. It is just sad that these young men put so much hard work into their sport and we as parents teach them hard work will pay off and then it comes down to lies. He is worried of course about transferring and not playing but I just hope if we talk to other coaches they have a different character. But you never know I guess.

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"Anything to try to figure out what the problem was?"



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That is just about how we have felt trying to help our son with his decision. He is just confused! Thanks for the laugh!

That Gotwood guy is funny, isn't he?

The way I look at it may be different than others may see things. Everyone sees character and integrity in coaches differently too.

If your son locates a school where they really need someone for his position is one thing (draft, injury, ineligible player).
But what about the coach who takes in junior transfer and gives a promise to play a position after another player has been waiting two years for his chance? Is that coach ANY different than the one your son would be leaving?

Any good coach will tell your son he has to still COMPETE for the position just like anyone else. Nothing told to anyone but the above is leading a player down the wrong path.

Also, while we tend to feel badly for our own, we often forget about others who sit in similar situations.

JMO.

I agree! That's why this whole process is so difficult. He like all the other young men just want to have the opportunity to play and to enjoy the game. Unfortunately it isn't that easy and nothing in life is. I know he has learned how to deal with alot of different things and all this will help him in life.

We try to teach our kids to work hard, treat everyone with respect and things will work out and then you have coaches who don't uphold those same standards and have kids play who don't work as hard and don't stay for extra practice as those who get all the playing time. I know hard work pays off but when there is a time limit of 4 years you just hope it will pay off in time.

I think we will learn more when the season closes and the coach has his "talk" and then he may know where he stands. With the new rules I understand that each player needs to receive at least a 25% scholarship if they are getting one. Right now he gets considerably less so that may give us the answer. But then he may not have anywhere to go.

Infbbmom,

Advice #1

You need to get advice from people who have ACTUALLY gone through it. Not from people who have never gone through it - and thus - have no idea what they are talking about.

Advice # 2

Do your homework on the advice givers.

Advice #3

Never take advice from a podiatrist - for a heart problem.

LOL

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I think we will learn more when the season closes and the coach has his "talk" and then he may know where he stands. With the new rules I understand that each player needs to receive at least a 25% scholarship if they are getting one. Right now he gets considerably less so that may give us the answer. But then he may not have anywhere to go.

Infbbmom,

This particular issue I'm still confused about.
Some say as you stated that anyone being offered scholarship money must get at least 25%.
Others say it's only for the incoming Freshman of 2008 and beyond. If you are a 2007 or earlier, they can still offer less than the 25%.

Maybe someone can clarify this.

Here's the rule as it currently is written. Note that it is necessary to use the LDBi database to find this most recent wording of the rule.

15.5.4.1 Minimum Equivalency Value. Effective Date: Aug 01, 2008
An institution shall provide each counter athletically related and other countable financial aid that is equal to or greater than 25 percent of an equivalency. (Adopted: 4/26/07 effective 8/1/08 for student-athletes who initially enroll full time at any four-year collegiate institution on or after August 1, 2008, Revised: 8/9/07)

This rule was posted in this thread. that's-a-balk, you made the second post in that thread. Did you read any of the replies?

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This rule was posted in this thread. that's-a-balk, you made the second post in that thread. Did you read any of the replies?

3FingeredGlove,

Yes, I did read the replies. Remember, this is the NCAA and what you read is not always the way it's meant. There are still many who think that everyone who is receiving athletic money must receive the 25%. Read Infbbmom's quote, she is under that impression.

If you reply to this, I will read it as well!

3FingeredGlove,

Here is a recent article that speaks specifically of that rule. Along with the rule you quoted and this article, there should be no question. I'm not confused
anymore.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/04/13/sports/colle...882573f0001a1605.txt

Thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated! However, now we will have to figure out what else to do about the issue...at least if he didn't get the 25% that would have given us more insight to son's future. Now who knows...

For what's it worth, and some interpretation:

a) Not all of the 35 players on roster will receive 25%.

b) Eliminates a school offering books (and a candidate belief that means more p.t.)

b) The 25% aid includes athletic and academic dollars.

IMHO 1: The new rule is a good thing.

IMHO 2: The new rule benefits the regionally, state and area colleges more so (and probably increasing in that order) than the colleges recruiting nationally!

IMHO 3: GotWood needs to donate more $$ since donations to this web site should be based on the amount of TBytes of server space used.
(Can't wait for that pic!)

IMHO 4: D1 College baseball needs to go back to the future, sort of speak, and provide 19 full scholarships, again (as compared to the cut back in 1991 to 11.7!)