How often is this done? Do the JC coaches resent this because the player only stayed one year? Do the JC coaches take the calls from 4 year coaches asking about their players during their first year? Anyone had their son do this? Thanks.
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I left to go play d1 after 1 year junior college. Coaches were happy and understood. They were active in helping me get recruited and promoting me to any d1 or pro scout that would listen to them. Ultimately it’s your choice regardless of the coaches wishes but if you have a good relationship with them I see no reason as to why they would hinder your recruiting by not taking calls.
My understanding is that this happens quite often and that the JC HC would not resent it at all. In fact, the primary selling point for JUCOs is to help their players get recruited by DI programs and/or drafted, so absolutely they would "take calls" and actively promote their players to DI programs and MLB scouts. That is the best advertising they can get - ____ of our players go on to DI and/or are drafted. That is often the main reason student athletes attend JUCOs in the first place, to help them take that next step and it is completely understood and encouraged by the coaches.
Do the players at JUCO's actively work on their own recruitment to D1's? (Emailing coaches, etc, similar to high school players?). Or is that mainly handled by the JUCO coach?
3and2Fastball posted:Do the players at JUCO's actively work on their own recruitment to D1's? (Emailing coaches, etc, similar to high school players?). Or is that mainly handled by the JUCO coach?
First, they have scout day in the Fall, where pro and college coaches come to watch; so I guess it could be both, but for Ryan, he the contact was made with the coaching staff. After they talked to the staff, staff talked to Ryan, and then Ryan spoke with Purdue.
To the original poster's question: I don't think they like it very much, and I say this because of the following experience:
I got a call from Ryan's Travel Team Coach, and he said team X wanted to offer him a substantial scholarship, but they wouldn't do it unless Ryan told his JC coach that he was leaving first, because he didn't want JC coach to be upset with him. They have a relationship, and the coach takes a lot of players from the JC.
I guess if they didn't have a relationship, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I am basically saying that I think the answer is, it depends on the situation. Some players have left Ryan's JC, and it didn't seem like the staff thought it was a big deal, but the fact that the 4 year coach went undercover with his request tells me that there could be some issues with some coaches depending on the situation.
There was absolutely no way I would have let Ryan tell the JC he was leaving without a bird in hand, because he wouldn't have had any leverage at that point. The 4 year school would have had to give Ryan a concrete offer first, or it was a no deal. I thought what the coach was asking was ridiculous.
I agree with rynoattack that it really depends on the specifics. If it's a high level juco, and a high level NCAA D1, then the chances of good that the coach will be on board. If it's a juco that prides themselves on moving guys to D1, and you leave after one year to go to a D3, they probably won't be particularly happy about it. They may want you to stick around for a better offer after another year. For juco coaches, it's a balancing act between winning and placing guys at the next level.
In CA there's a lot more Dll's than there are Dlll's so transfers to Dlll's would most likely be after sophomore year as the Dlll's cost so much. So there's quite q bit of JC to Dll movement within our CSU system and, of course, the goal is to get to Dl if you can.
My son left a JUCO after one year for a D1. During his first year I was contacted by a D1 coach offering a scholarship, he never contacted my son. That coach never contacted his coach either. We didn't take his offer. At the end of his first year his coach resigned. At that point he heard from several D1's with offers. He chose a school where he felt he'd have an opportunity to start. He was told by that coach they would not have offered him if the coach had remained. The other schools echo'ed that thought. If a D1 coach pilfers players from a JUCO he's not going to be welcome on that campus again.
can-o-corn posted:My son left a JUCO after one year for a D1. During his first year I was contacted by a D1 coach offering a scholarship, he never contacted my son. That coach never contacted his coach either. We didn't take his offer. At the end of his first year his coach resigned. At that point he heard from several D1's with offers. He chose a school where he felt he'd have an opportunity to start. He was told by that coach they would not have offered him if the coach had remained. The other schools echo'ed that thought. If a D1 coach pilfers players from a JUCO he's not going to be welcome on that campus again.
So those Dl schools still had scholarship money left in May? Wouldn't they have committed it all after NLI letters in November or December at the latest? Or maybe some of their recruits bolted?
Interesting that these Dl coaches thought they were pilfering when the whole point of going to a JC is to get better or improve grades and make it to a 4 year school with some athletic scholarship help. Maybe the feeling varies by location?
Yes, at all levels there are late openings that occur for various reasons that then open up opportunities for JC players and other incoming transfers and HS players. And it goes both ways in some cases, as my son's high academic D2 lost a player (who played as a freshman) to a JC that most guessed was due to academic issues at the D2. So he would have gone from a 4 year to 1 year at JC and then hope to go back to a different 4 year to finish his eligibility.
One thing is certain for those of us who have been looking at college baseball rosters for several years--the turnover is pretty significant everywhere at all levels, and JCs are a big part of it at a lot of schools (particularly the CSU teams in D2 as MRMAC noted).
Well I've learned something new - in our area, it sure seems that JC is viewed by all (even coaches) as a stepping stone and the coaches are open to players leaving at any time (even after only 1 year versus after their second (last) year). It even seems like some DIs in our area have a relationship where they send recruits that can't gain admittance due to academic reasons to a JC with the (non-binding) understanding that, if grades are good at JC and barring injuries, they can go to the DI and have a spot. I don't have firsthand knowledge of this, but just following a couple players that were recruited that went to the JC, then soon went DI, I jumped to that conclusion. Sounds like it depends on a number of factors - the level of JUCO, the area, the coach, etc.
Don't forget that the player has to be qualified to be able to transfer, if not they have to have earned an AA.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
3and2Fastball posted:Do the players at JUCO's actively work on their own recruitment to D1's? (Emailing coaches, etc, similar to high school players?). Or is that mainly handled by the JUCO coach?
Here in Florida, there are JUCO tournaments for players to show their skills. No player goes unnoticed.
So those Dl schools still had scholarship money left in May? Wouldn't they have committed it all after NLI letters in November or December at the latest? Or maybe some of their recruits bolted?
Interesting that these Dl coaches thought they were pilfering when the whole point of going to a JC is to get better or improve grades and make it to a 4 year school with some athletic scholarship help. Maybe the feeling varies by location?
One school was an SEC school that knew they would have some players drafted. The one he went to the coach was told in the end of year exit interview that his catcher wasn't coming back. Another school told him they would decide what percentage to offer him but if everyone came back they would not be able to offer him a scholarship for that year but they would make it up the next 2 years, if they were going to offer him 33% then he would get 50% his junior and senior year to even it out. He heard from an ACC school that had a incoming freshman catcher that told them he was going to sign in the draft. Almost every school loses a player or 2 in May or early June.
The feeling among the D1 coaches is the JUCO coach is planning on freshman returning and it can screw them up for the next year if they take one of their best players. With no coach it was open season til a coach got hired. Several JUCO coaches echoed it wasn't cool to take their players till after their second year, offer them a scholarship whenever they want for their junior year but let them finish their 2 years there.
My son wasn't there because of grades or to get drafted after his freshman year, he was there because he was overlooked coming out of HS. He had a successful D1 career, went to 2 regionals, was all conference and was drafted. He could have gone to a D3 but he had confidence in himself. The offer during his freshman season was 100%. It was from a low level D1 with low academics. Most of his money would have been academic money with enough baseball money to make it 100% but he turned it down because he knew he was better than that. He's one of the most humble kids you'll ever meet, he's just confident in his abilities and knew where he wanted to go and worked hard to get there. He just retired after 4 years of pro ball. A torn Labrum and rotator cuff has ended his career. He's taking it better than I am, lol.
TPM posted:Don't forget that the player has to be qualified to be able to transfer, if not they have to have earned an AA.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
3and2Fastball posted:Do the players at JUCO's actively work on their own recruitment to D1's? (Emailing coaches, etc, similar to high school players?). Or is that mainly handled by the JUCO coach?
Here in Florida, there are JUCO tournaments for players to show their skills. No player goes unnoticed.
For those who don’t know qualified to transfer after one year means NCAA eligible out of high school.
Thank u!
RJM posted:TPM posted:Don't forget that the player has to be qualified to be able to transfer, if not they have to have earned an AA.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
3and2Fastball posted:Do the players at JUCO's actively work on their own recruitment to D1's? (Emailing coaches, etc, similar to high school players?). Or is that mainly handled by the JUCO coach?
Here in Florida, there are JUCO tournaments for players to show their skills. No player goes unnoticed.
For those who don’t know qualified to transfer after one year means NCAA eligible out of high school.
Yes thank you. I had no idea what qualified meant.
