Trinity & Oklahoma

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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Originally posted by kirk:
FC, if Florida and OU win out (assume Texas in top 2 of final BCS and includes all conference championship games), who should be ranked higher, OU or Florida?

I look forward to your answer.

Won't matter....

If UT, OU, and TTU win out........

Oklahoma will be #2 because they would have beaten #12 OSU. BCS power rankings will prevail.

Other than that I could care less because Northwood didn't have a football team.

Yes, with the way the BCS rankings are now. The key is that UT plays well enough to remind enough voters that we beat them earlier in the year. The key is getting enough coaches to make the switch-the AP polls arent taken into account.

Never been to Kyle Field hard to believe it could be wilder than that.
I thought they kissed and not jump

FC, you didn't answer the question!!!

Ah, I apologize Kirk, I didnt see that was directed to me. I believe that Oklahoma should be ranked ahead of Florida in that case. OU has played a better schedule, and lost to a superior opponent. FLA lost to ole miss at the swamp.

However, it probably wont happen like that. Assuming Florida and OU head into the final BCS with one loss, that would meant that the gators had just knocked off number one Alabama in the SEC championship game. This would probably sway enough human voters to put FL as number one in the coaches poll. Either OU or Texas would be left out

A&M has to be loving it. Their awful play is beating UT already. I find it hilarious.

And I hope my field leads to another surprise A&M victory .

DTiger... sorry, but the game is in Austin.

FC, thanks for your reply. I feel the same way. I also feel the Big 12 is better than the SEC. What I don't understand is why is Florida getting a free pass to the national championship game if they win out? Shouldn't they be part of the overall BCS debate? Just a thought.

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I also feel the Big 12 is better than the SEC

Nebraska's coach, Bo Pelini, most recently coached at LSU. One of the members of the press up there asked him if he was surprised the big 12 had passed SEC as the strongest conference. Pelini told him he was nuts...."yes, I'm a big 12 guy now, but please...the big 12 is not stronger than the SEC."

TX-Husker, I respect Coach Pelini and his opinion and certainly his expertise, however, I still feel the Big 12 is better this year. I went and looked at all the SEC teams and their non-conference schedules. First comment is WEAK. Second, Big East got the better of teams like Auburn (WV lost to Cinn. who got hammered by OU). Arkansas got boat raced by Texas. If I had more time I am sure I could point out more area's of weakness for the SEC.

Bottom line, Big 12 better this year!!! May be the only year, but this year...better.

By the way, if I had the chance to debate Coach Pelini, I would fold like a one egg puddin.

Argh, I think I had misunderstood something someone told me. A&M probably likes that more anyway, if they can keep it close, or get blown out by under 44, it'll still hurts UT.

In truth, I want UT to win because I want as much controversy as ever in the BCS to get an inch closer to a playoff. And for those who very legitimately bring up how it might ruin the regular season tension, I say keep the polls and BCS projections secret... or just have one vote... the one that really matters. It might be unrealistic, but it seems like if no one knew where they were for sure, they'd play like there was no tomorrow. And it might eliminate that losing early hurts less than a loss late.

If you want to talk about tensionless games, lets talk about bowl games. How many of those games really matter? Aside from the game my favorite college plays in and the national championship (hopefully the same game), bowl games are nothing more than an office pool. So Boise beat OU. Show me a ring.

The games that have "national championship implications" such as Tech-OU did this past weekend will still be watched because football is a great sport and that (should have been) a great game.

If you added a 16-team playoff, you would be adding 15 games with undebatable national championship implications. Furthermore, does it even matter? Shouldn't the integrity of the game and the teams that play it be upheld over viewer ratings and marketing? Who wants to go tell Utah that their wins have been judged as worthless by a panel of "experts?" College football is the only sport where a team can go undefeated and still end up a loser.

Kirk...I can't say I disagree with you. I just thought Pelini's comments were very interesting. I believe he made those comments after the OU game too. Maybe sour grapes...maybe he's right. It just gave me pause to think.

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Originally posted by Big Red:
If you want to talk about tensionless games, lets talk about bowl games. How many of those games really matter? Aside from the game my favorite college plays in and the national championship (hopefully the same game), bowl games are nothing more than an office pool. So Boise beat OU. Show me a ring.

Couldnt disagree more. The prestige of the bowl game that a program attends has huge implications for recruiting. Recruiting is the life line of college programs-big time players want to play on big time stages. The yearly exodus of the cream of the Texas crop north of the red river was stemmed somewhat when Texas won that first rose bowl. Adrian Peterson admitted he chose not to attend UT because they did not make BCS bowls. In his mind, OU gave him a chance to play on a bigger stage than texas. It used to be yearly event for players like Rhett Bomar, Tommy Harris, Adrian Peterson, etc to shun Texas for Oklahoma. While OU will always get theirs, Texas has done a much better job at keeping the top talent (ie Garrett Gilbert, Sergio Kindle, Trey Allen, Aaron Williams) in state the past few years.

Bowl games also inject money into the athletic department. Teams that make BCS games receive millions of dollars to upgrade facilities, pay to keep top coaches, etc. Even mid major bowl payouts are huge for schools with limited budgets. Rice is 8-3 this season. Although they arent going to a BCS bowl anytime soon, the money they will get from a bowl game will be a welcome injection to an underfunded athletic program.

Also, I dont know what SEC Pelini is watching this year. Alabama and Florida are the only legit teams this year. I'm covinced that even Oklahoma State could play with Alabama.

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I'm covinced that even Oklahoma State could play with Alabama.

smokin a little wacky week there, huh spain? Who exactly has OSU beaten other than Missouri? The big 12 trails off pretty quickly after OU/TU/TT. That's basically exactly what you said about the SEC.

Battle of the Hicks (Alabama vs OU)...classic defense vs offense...a toss up
Florida vs Texas...hard to say anyone is playing better than Florida now...give me Florida
Tech vs Georgia...Tech would win.
Battle of the Rivers (Miss vs Misou)...too close to call.

Rest of both conferences...who cares, big drop off.

Oh yeah...in terms of bowl games not mattering. Recall the revenue sharing scheme most conferences have. You pay your expenses, then throw the remainder in a pot for all in the conference to share in. So the Iowa State's of the conference don't get much of a different revenue stream than the top dogs do.

So your saying that college coaches are too incompetent to recruit players without bowl games? Are the facilities at these BCS worthy colleges in need of improvement? What about the smaller schools that don't make the bowls? That is where the money really needs to go, right?

You want to know a really good way to get good players to come to your school? Actually proving that you are the best team in the nation by winning a playoff.

Sooners Jump the Horns to #2 in BCS....as they should have given the three way tie. Texas blew this one themselves by playing such a weak sister non-conference schedule. They should have played a better schedule like OU.

As ESPN so soundly stated, "what, we don't decide it on the field anymore". The SEC, in a three way tie, they throw out the lowest ranked team and then use head to head. Look for the Big 12 boys to do some rule shuffling next year.

As for Texas playing a weak schedule, at the time they played #1 OU, #4 Mizz, #7 OSU, #6 Tech, #21 Kansas back to back to......

What I said was weak non-conference schedule...which is 100% in UT's control. There was a striking difference in OU's compared to UT's...and that's one of the big reasons the computers played out like the did. If UT had played two solid opponents and beaten them both like OU did, UT would be ahead of them in the polls right now. In conference schedules are completely out of the control of the schools.

If you asked common opponents who they would rather face, they would all say Texas. The best non-conference opponent UT beat is RICE. OU beat 2 team currently in the top 13.

Big 12 Championship

Missouri vs Oklahoma

Texas 56 Missouri 31
Texas 45 Oklahoma 35

Good enough for me!

I will say that I think OU will win the National Championship.

TECH 39
Texas 33

I'm not sure either OU or UT can beat Florida (who I don't think will have a problem with Alabama). But, OU is the only team that has a chance to match speed with them and be able to score with them.

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Originally posted by Letot:
TECH 39
Texas 33

....and I won't even get into the if and buts candy and nuts thing, 39-33 was the final.
I'm just curious to see what BCS bowl Tech goes to.

I agree Husker, I think OU has the best chance of matching up with Florida (if they beat Alabama).
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, OU in my opinion is the best team in the country "right now" and I think they are gonna be hard to stop.

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OU in my opinion is the best team in the country "right now"

Danny, I think one thing the "footballers" always forget is that the NCAA basketball tournament is FULL of upsets. Rarely does the "best" team according to the so called experts win the tournament. Usually the roundball winner is the team that is hottest at the end. While I think a playoff would be better than the system in place, a playoff is far from perfect and doesn't mean the "best" team will win it....just like the BCS doesn't mean the "best" team will be the National Champs.

Yeah, good plan... send OU to the National Championship game so they can choke... again.

I always find it funny to hear people talk about teams choking. You gotta be pretty stinkin good to be in a spot to "choke" as often as OU has. Last count UT has 1 National Championship since you have been alive...how many does OU have?

PS...I'm a Husker fan, not an OU fan. Give us 2 more years and we'll be sawing off those longhorns.

Husker, you are correct. Hence, best "right now" which translates to the hottest. In hoops it's staying hot for the four or five games in the tourney. With the pigskin boys it's stay hot for two games, beat Missouri and your in the big one. I like their chances!

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Last count UT has 1 National Championship since you have been alive...how many does OU have?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Texas has three National Championships since Naturals been "alive" . That's just a guess.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say Texas has three National Championships since Naturals been "alive" . That's just a guess.

I'm guessing too...but OU has had a pretty stout history outside of those lean years in the 90s before Bobby ball arrived. They kicked out butt on a regular basis in the 70s...we got somewhat even in the 80s and 90s. Don't think Natural is as old as we are.

DB,
Good call on not going into the "if and buts candy and nuts" thing.

For the record, Natural has been alive for all 4 of the Longhorns National Championships.

And one final comment: 45-35. Nuff said.

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And one final comment: 45-35. Nuff said.

Letot, what about this? Is he off limits?
I'm starting to think it's personal or a
dislike for UTA.

So Natural's an "ole stinker" too. You've seen all 5 of the Husker NC's and all 7 of the Sooner NC's too then?

Something tells me the Tx Tech guys know this "Nuff said" guy too.

DB,
you lost me. Is who off limits and UTA hasn't had a football team in years.

Yeah - I've seen those too... funny how those kinda came to an end once the Big 8 became the Big 12.

breaking news they have just changed the name on the big 12 championship.It will now be called: WE BOTH LOST TO TEXAS BOWL

I believe Big 8 has won the same number as the SWC teams since the Big 12 came about. It all comes in cycles. Brace yourself for the 2010/2011 seasons when the Huskers can play the teasippers again. You're old enough to know how things cycle.

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WE BOTH LOST TO TEXAS...who couldn't be Tech...BOWL

If ole Coach Mack would spend more time on the phone scheduling good non-conference games you wouldn't be stuck where you are.

Letot, just a sorry attempt at humor and pot stirring!

I do find it strange that if TECH had lost against Baylor UT would have gone to the Big 12 championship but since they won OU goes. Nothing changed between UT and OU records,stats,etc. The SEC 3 way tiebreaker makes more sense to me.

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I do find it strange that if TECH had lost against Baylor UT would have gone to the Big 12 championship but since they won OU goes. Nothing changed between UT and OU

That's sorta the same thing AlGore was saying about the electoral college vs popular vote...but the rules are the rules, right? If they don't make sense, change em...but you can't retroactively change em.