Trinity & Oklahoma

The night of the TT/UT game, several of my TT friends were laughing at the spanking OU put on Nebraska. I suspect that realize now how good OU is now that they beat TT even worse than Nebraska a few weeks back. UT beat a different OU team...OU's clearly the best in the big 12 right now.

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OU's clearly the best in the big 12 right now.

I'm thinking the country!

Only Texas had to play four top five teams in a row. They only lost the final game of that brutal stretch on the final play of the game. And oh yeah... they did beat OU by 10 points. The Horns deserve a #2 ranking.

A scenario where a team could not win their conference and still play for the National Championship is if OSU defeats OU, then Tech beats Baylor and goes to the Big 12 Champioship and wins, yet still be ranked below Texas in the BCS. You then could have Texas playing Florida or Alabama for the title. Am I missing something here

Im pretty sure you have to win your conference to play for the national title.

The BCS should still reflect the fact that TX beat OU period. If there is a three way tie, TX should get the chance to play the winner of the AL / Fl game period.

TX beat OU on a neutral field, OU beat TT in Norman that is a hugh difference.

Anyone who watched the Texas/OU game should remember that 2 horrible personal foul calls on OU led to a major swing in the game that kept Texas in it. Both calls against OU led to touchdowns for Texas-one of which was on a third down that would've resulted in a punt. OU outplayed Texas that Saturday and deserves to play in the Big 12 championship.

If I were Bob Stoops, I'd replay those calls over and over. Anyone watching the game knew they were missed calls. Don't forget the missed interception call.

I only get so heated because I think the BCS is awful, I mean... a playoff please? PLEASE!!!!!!!! With lots of sugar on top. But $$$ wins.

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A scenario where a team could not win their conference and still play for the National Championship

A scenario where a team playing for the national championship (Texas) not only didn't win it's conference championship but didn't even qualify to be in the game at all would be a complete joke....so, you're probably right, that's what will happen with this stupid BCS.

Danny, I agree on the best in the country comment. I was just understating as I think who ever is best in the south is also best in the country. Now that OU has it's defense playing, look out...........

Dtiger,

I noticed you left out the phantom roughing the punter call against Texas that led to a "huge" touchdown for OU. Most of the calls even out. On that day, the better team won.

Turntwo1, you may be right, but I have never seen that written anywhere.

The BCS isn't about good wins and losses. Its about who loses earliest and who wins latest. OU lost to Texas early and dominated Texas Tech late. The ranking will reflect this.

I did forget that, and you are most definitely right. It just to me seemed that OU was outplaying Texas until both of those personal fouls led to momentum.

Also, I'd have to say Colt McCoy deserves the Heisman because he has carried his team more in the big games than Bradford and (since last night didn't turn out so well) Harrell. That's regardless of the fact that I think OU should be playing for the Big 12 championship.

We could debate all this forever, the truth is that another reason for a playoff comes up every year and yet it's never going to happen. It's sad that money dominates an "amateur" sport.

Hmmm, I wonder who received Dtiger's first vote on 11/4.

I'd hope that you know I would never base picking a president on sport concerns when there are other much more important issues. When it's all said in done, it's a game.

Let the chips fall where they may...if Texas stays ahead of OU and plays for the Big 12 Championship and ultimately for a national championship, then they deserve it. IMHO, OU only has itself to blame, beat Texas otherwise, they have no complaints. Again, IMHO, the best team did not win the RRS 2008, but rather the hungrier team. NO whining about the calls, they were equally bad for both sides.

I also feel Texas has no room for complaints if OU jumps them and goes on to play for the B12 Championship. They were suppose to beat Tech and they didn't. Playing in Lubbock is no excuse. Beat Tech and last nights game would have been irrelevant.

Additionally, I am one of those who does not necessarily support a playoff system. First of all, pro sports regular seasons can be very boring. Why, because many games have no meaning. The BCS system we currently have requires you win every week, beat the teams you are suppose to and if you don't, hope you get lucky. Yes it is still a "mythical" national championship but that is what is great about it. Personally I will watch college games all day Saturday because of all the implications, where as, I may watch the Cowboys play on Sunday if I don't have anything better to do. I very rarely watch any other pro games.

Again, just my humble opinion.

I dislike OU and UT equally...

I find it interesting that Texas Tech's coach says he's voting OU ahead of UT. I think that tells you who he thinks is better.

We might get lucky and get a UT/OU rematch in the Orange Bowl...that would be interesting.

Kirk,

I would agree with you to an extent. At the risk of being simplistic, if OU or Texas would have taken care of business, we would not be having this argument. As for comparing the pro and college meaningless games, at the collegiate level, I don't think there are meaningless games. I can sit and watch an 0-10 Army vs 0-10 Navy game as opposed to a 1-10 Detroit vs 2-9 San Fran game. To me, every college game has the emotion as though each team is still in the running for a National Championship.
Having said all that, I do understand your point.

Tx-Husker,

How long have you been a Husker fan. I went to school and played with a couple of former Huskers.
Nate Mason was the backup to Turner Gill I believe, and the slot back then was Ricky Simmons. Both graduated from Greenville High in 1979 and headed to Lincoln.

I was born and raised in Nebraska, and went to undergrad there. Started following the Huskers in my pre-teens...those golden teams of the early 70s. I remember Simmons and Mason. Mason had the misfortune of being stuck behind one of the most underrated college QBs of all time, Turner Gill. Turner's doing a fantastic job in Buffalo now and is a great person.

Bo's bringing the Huskers back on the map. He's done a terrific job with the team this year and they have a great recruiting class on the way...half of which is made up on Texans!

BTW...AP poll just out, Bama 1, Gators 2, Sooners 3. Think they got it right. I'm stunned TT only fell to 7.

Texas beat Oklahoma on a neutral field by 10 pts...

Florida lost to UNRANKED Ole Miss at home...

Yet AP & Coaches poll have both teams ahead of Texas.

This is why we need a playoff, because human "voters" are biased.

Natural, do you think there are Harris poll and Coaches poll voters on here? also, do you really think that Texas is the only school that has a valid argument? If you beat Tech in Lubbock there is no debate!!!

BCS
1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC

BCS computers get it right! Hook 'em Horns!

So, who knows enough about BCS formulas to say what happens next week if OU beats #12 OSU? I would think if UT and OU are very close now that win would swing OU above UT.

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Originally posted by Natural:
BCS computers get it right! Hook 'em Horns!

Congratulations, I expected Texas to be ranked ahead of OU. I didn't expect OU to be ranked ahead of Florida. If OU doesn't make the B12 Championship, Florida will jump them if they beat Alabama in the SEC championship. Assuming they don't stub toe @ FSU next week.

According to an SI article, it seems they believe OU will jump UT if OU beats OSU next weekend.

Longhorns' BCS average is .9209, Oklahoma is at .9125. Ironic that aTm can ruin UT's chances by simply playing them...

Wouldnt it be great if OU and Texas could play on a neutral field to see who was better? Oh wait...

Yeah, probably right that an OU win next week jumps them ahead in the computer rankings since A&M is so bad. Irony is that if OSU wins, Tech would go to the Big 12 Championship but Texas would almost certainly play for the National Championship. Another reason for a real playoff system.

Let's see....

1-OSU beats OU...very possible
2-Baylor beats Tech...hangover
3-aTm beats Texas....don't laugh, think back a couple of years
4-or, Missou beats Texas in Kansas City....second time's never as easy and KC is a home game for Missou.

And don't say that's not possible. Remember back in the early 2000s when Nebraska went to the NC game without going to the big 12 championship because of all the upsets.

Guess we would have a FLA/USC championship then as no one thinks Bama can handle the Gators. Maybe for grins, ND beats USC so Utah will play FLA.

If Texas Tech beat Texas, shouldn't Tech be ranked above UT? Since UT won the national championship with less then a minute to play, does that mean that the win is cheap and therefore shouldn't be counted?

Texas A&M will take care of business and put this matter behind us.

What's going to come back to bite Texas is their incredibly weak non-conference schedule....and aTm doesn't even have to win their game vs Texas. They topple Texas out of #2 by just being recorded on the Texas schedule once they play. Had Texas played just 1 decent non-conference game, they would be fine.

But your point is interesting....that last minute loss to Tech on the road by 6 points seems to get dismissed much more easily than that last minute nail bitter near loss to OSU by 4 points at home.

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Originally posted by Big Red:
Texas A&M will take care of business and put this matter behind us.

Maybe you're watching a different A&M team than I am. Colt isnt hobbling around barly able to throw like he was two years ago. Texas will win, and big (yes I know we have lost two in a row). This is a different team, with a much better mindset and toughness than past Mack Brown teams.

Re OU: We beat them. I fail to see the argument. I understand that they are playing well. If a team is "playing well," does that mean that we should just wipe away any loses they have had to put them in the championship? I dont think so. OU and tech get alot of style points with voters because of the lopsided score lines. To me at least, Graham Harrell throwing touchdown passes with two minutes left and up 50 diminishes the impressiveness (ie Kansas). UT was also up big on Kansas at half, but all Mack Brown did was run the clock out. He plays and coaches football the right way, and thats something that makes me proud as a UT fan.

It is indeed true that if Texas had beat Tech (Blake Gideon catches that int) we would not be having this discussion. However, by that same token, had OU beaten us in Dallas we wouldnt be having it either. They lost to us heads up, on a neutral field, both teams at full strength. OU was even arguably better when Texas beat them because Reynolds had not yet been injured. I also dont buy the "strength of scedule" argument. Yes OU beat Cincinatti and TCU, but Texas' dominating wins over Missouri (OU dodged them in the big 12) and Rice (dont laugh-8-3 with the Dillard/Casey/Clement combo) essentially cancel those out in my opinion.

Of course, all of this would be solved by a playoff.

FCBarcelona, I've got the AMAs on and flaiming liberals come to mind. Think of the outcry we would have for a college football playoff if the flaiming liberals cared about college football. Not sure if that's funny or scary...

FC, if Florida and OU win out (assume Texas in top 2 of final BCS and includes all conference championship games), who should be ranked higher, OU or Florida?

I look forward to your answer.

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Originally posted by kirk:
FC, if Florida and OU win out (assume Texas in top 2 of final BCS and includes all conference championship games), who should be ranked higher, OU or Florida?

I look forward to your answer.

Won't matter....

If UT, OU, and TTU win out........

Oklahoma will be #2 because they would have beaten #12 OSU. BCS power rankings will prevail.

Other than that I could care less because Northwood didn't have a football team.

I haven't even tried to understand the BCS rankings. If OU, Texas, and TTU all finish with one loss, the highest ranked BCS team goes to the Big 12 Championship game against Mizzou at Arrowhead (probably OU). If OU or Texas wins in KC, they play for the NC. If OU loses to OSU, Tech wins the South with one loss due to their win over Texas -- and the Red Raiders travel to KC to play a game with no NC implications, while the Horns begin practicing for Florida or Bama. Strange, eh? Or....how far does Alabama drop if their game versus the Gators (assuming a loss) is a close one?

So, does the Cotton Bowl invite the Big 12 Championship game loser or does the best non-BCS team from the B12 South travel to Dallas?

At this point, I'm hoping for an upset in Kansas City. The Tigers baseball team will benefit from Mizzou playing in a BCS bowl.

Go Tigers!

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Or....how far does Alabama drop if their game versus the Gators (assuming a loss) is a close one?

They won't be in the National Championship picture, I'll bet you that.

Ken, UTA doesn't have a football team either, but the Horns were in our hearts (Adams and mine) way before the Mavs were a thought.

And for the sake of argument, the Horns beat OSU as well, and at that time they were #7.

I was in that stadium in Norman Saturday and that was they wildest and loudest scene that i have ever been around in my life. OU was making a statement from the start. Just before halftime they played some song called JUMP and if you have never seen 85000 people jumping up and down it is quit a sight

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Originally posted by Natural:This is why we need a playoff, because human "voters" are biased.

Computer polls (programs) are just as biased, as these are written by humans. The bias is codified & consistent in its application.

ps. Go Gators!

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
FCBarcelona, I've got the AMAs on and flaiming liberals come to mind. Think of the outcry we would have for a college football playoff if the flaiming liberals cared about college football. Not sure if that's funny or scary...

As much as I want a college football playoff, if thats obama's chief concern when he gets to office, then I'm afraid we have elected the wrong guy (among other reasons).

For the OU poster talking about jumping-I take it you have never been to Kyle Field.