Trivia Time

Tim Wakefield pitched against all of them?

Should Al Kaline be on that list, too?

If so, I'd say none of them played in the minors?

Others could be included on this list but Al Kaline is definitely not one of them.

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Originally posted by RRF8:
One of my favorite trivia questions. Please do not Google.

What do Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Don Kessinger have in common?

They've never been in my kitchen?

Actually all of those guys played in the minors.

I know Ruth, Mays, and Kessinger all played with or for Leo Durocher but AAron doesn't fit in.

All played in the major leagues.

Didn't each one start in a city for one team and then end up in the city they originally started in but with a different team. Ruth Boston Red Sox-Boston Braves. Aaron Milwaukee Braves--Milwaukee Brewers. Kessinger Chicago Cubs--Chicago White Sox. Mays New York Giants--New York Mets.

I swear I did not look this up.

That's an easy one, IF Barry Bonds's real name is DON KESSINGER!

Since I think I got that one I'll give yall another trivia question.

Who is the only knucklehead in Major League history who was passed on the bases two different times in one season costing two different teammates a HR?

Three Bagger - you are correct with the original trivia question.

Tiger Woods?? Brett Favre??... I saw the words trivia and knucklehead and didn't bother to read the rest of the question.

Since my trivia question is pretty obscure I'll even give an extra clue.

Question:

Who is the only knucklehead in Major League history who was passed on the bases two different times in one season costing two different teammates a HR?

Clue:

This player could really hit but was such a goofball especially on the basepaths that these two incidents were not his most famous baserunning gaffe. A sportswriter once wrote of him, "It's not true that ________ tripled into a triple play, but he did double into a double play which is the next best thing I suppose".

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
Since my trivia question is pretty obscure I'll even give an extra clue.

Question:

Who is the only knucklehead in Major League history who was passed on the bases two different times in one season costing two different teammates a HR?

Clue:

This player could really hit but was such a goofball especially on the basepaths that these two incidents were not his most famous baserunning gaffe. A sportswriter once wrote of him, "It's not true that ________ tripled into a triple play, but he did double into a double play which is the next best thing I suppose".

Lou Pinella comes to mind--he did run for the cycle, getting thrown out at every base in one game.

Not "sweet Lou" but a good guess although Lou was generally thought of as a smart ballplayer when he was playing.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
Since I think I got that one I'll give yall another trivia question.

Who is the only knucklehead in Major League history who was passed on the bases two different times in one season costing two different teammates a HR?

If he was passed, he didn't cost anyone anything. It's the runner who does the passing who is at fault.

OBR 7.08 Any runner is out when-
(h)He passes a preceding runner before such runner is out;

Except that in both cases this guy stopped in the basepaths because he thought the ball wasn't going out and in one case actually started back to first base. Apparently everyone else saw the balls go out except him.

Wasn't Steve Lyon known for being a goofball on the bases? I'll guess Steve.???

Nope, not Steve Lyon. Hint:Some people would have considered this guy a real "babe" and I don't mean Babe Ruth. In back to back years this guy was hitting .400 in late August.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
Except that in both cases this guy stopped in the basepaths because he thought the ball wasn't going out and in one case actually started back to first base. Apparently everyone else saw the balls go out except him.

Regardless, the rule assumes the following runner is smart enough to look where he is going. He is still responsible for the out.

George Brett?

Responsible--not in everycase. In 1959 in Harvey Haddix's perfect 12 innings Henry Aaron left the base path as he reached third and ran directly into the dugout. Joe Adcock, who had just hit a supposed game winning Hr with the crowd roaring was running around the bases and didn't even realize Aaron didn't complete his run to home. Aaron didn't realize the ball cleared the fence. Lou Gehrig lost a homerun in 1931 that cost him the outright HR title in exactly the same way when Lynn Lary veered off between third and home and Gehrig who was two bases behind him didn't see it. Of course none of this really has to do with the question of who was passed on the bases twice on supposed HRs in the same season. Although I know the rules must declare someone out and it is always the trailing runner, the guy in front can cause the whole thing to occur. I know from experience, in eight grade hitting a line drive grandslam in which I was tearing around first and the guy in front got confused and was heading back to first and before I could take my eyes off the ball there he was with both of us going in opposite directions. Of course I was out.

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Originally posted by Three Bagger:
Responsible--not in everycase. In 1959 in Harvey Haddix's perfect 12 innings Henry Aaron left the base path as he reached third and ran directly into the dugout. Joe Adcock, who had just hit a supposed game winning Hr with the crowd roaring was running around the bases and didn't even realize Aaron didn't complete his run to home. Aaron didn't realize the ball cleared the fence. Lou Gehrig lost a homerun in 1931 that cost him the outright HR title in exactly the same way when Lynn Lary veered off between third and home and Gehrig who was two bases behind him didn't see it. Of course none of this really has to do with the question of who was passed on the bases twice on supposed HRs in the same season. Although I know the rules must declare someone out and it is always the trailing runner, the guy in front can cause the whole thing to occur. I know from experience, in eight grade hitting a line drive grandslam in which I was tearing around first and the guy in front got confused and was heading back to first and before I could take my eyes off the ball there he was with both of us going in opposite directions. Of course I was out.

I am speaking to the rule. The facts, not opinion of who might be at fault. The rule is not variable. Yes, it holds the following runner responsible in every case, unless another rule was violated. It is the following runner who can more easily see the action of the preceeding runner.

If Aaron was called out it was for abandondment not for being passed.

I'm sure that's the correct terminology if you say so but I've never seen any of these stories termed as anything but the batter passing another runner. I know the rule is not variable in who is out. But that's just a rule that eons ago was made at the rulemakers discretion because somebody NEEDED to be outaccording to their thinking. Just like the guy already in possesion of the bag is the one who is not out and the oncoming runner is the one who is out. Could have just as easily been made a rule where the opposite is true. Now do you know the answer to this trivia question--that's my area of expertise just as baseball rules are yours.

George Brett ran the bases DANG hard! I hope he's not the right answer, but even if he is I always call a 'hustle' double a "George Brett Double".

I'm leaving for Mississippi in a few minutes to go see my son so I guess I better give the answer to my question. Since very few (really none) of the recent players have been hitting .400 as late as late August in back to back seasons you had to go back in time to get this one correct. The answer is Floyd "Babe" Herman of the 1930 Brooklyn Dodgers who hit .381 and .393 in 1929 and 1930. On May 15th 1930, Del Bissonette lost an HR when he passed Herman on a ball on which Herman started back to first on the linedrive HR. On September 30th, Glenn Wright lost an HR when he passed Herman when Herman again stopped between first and second on an Hr. Herman led the club with 35 HRs so I guess he HELPED eliminate the competition.

Of course the most famous baserunning mistake Herman is known for is the time he was the batter who hit the ball and three Dodgers ended up on third base in a hilarious scenario and he had the distinction of Doubling into a double play. Dazzy Vance was sliding back into third from the homeplate side at the same time the second runner was sliding into third from the second base side. Of course, here came Babe Herman sliding right in behind the second runner literally plowing into the middle guy. Of course Herman and the middle guy were tagged out as the other teams third baseman frantically was tagging everyone. The middle runner took off into left field but was tagged out. Suposedly, Dazzy Vance who was quite erudite, looked up from the ground and said" Gentlemen, as the original holder of this disputed hassock, I do believe I am the true and legal possessor."

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