Is it true that by this time of the year(Oct)the D1s have completed their recuiting of 2010 and have moved on to the 2011? Real question, Is my son (2010) waisting his time trying to land a D1?
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Simple Answer-----NO he is not !!!!
Some have, some have not, but even for the ones that have, things can change and there is often room found for an additional player if he is good enough.
cobbyakker, most higher level DI's have most, if not all, of their 2010 classes complete. Other than those perhaps 40-50 schools, openings and opportunities exist.
For your real question, the answer is a combination of your son's talent level, the visibility he has and will receive, the schools in which he is interested, and probably his willingness to expand his search.
The greater his level of talent and visibility, the greater the opportunities. If he has talent, but little to no visibility, he may struggle to find a DI opportunity with a good fit. If he has talent, but it is not immediately noticeable in a showcase type setting, that also can be an issue.
My estimate is that 90% or more of the posts coming to this board relate to playing DI. On other boards and blogs, again, most everything is DI.
The plain fact is there are just not that many DI slots open. Factor into that the importance of "fit," and the numbers decrease considerable.
This is a long worded answer to say that no one on this board can truly answer your real question based on the limited information in your question about your son wasting his time.
I can assure you that if you provide more information, you will get lots more input, guidance, and solid recommendations.
For your real question, the answer is a combination of your son's talent level, the visibility he has and will receive, the schools in which he is interested, and probably his willingness to expand his search.
The greater his level of talent and visibility, the greater the opportunities. If he has talent, but little to no visibility, he may struggle to find a DI opportunity with a good fit. If he has talent, but it is not immediately noticeable in a showcase type setting, that also can be an issue.
My estimate is that 90% or more of the posts coming to this board relate to playing DI. On other boards and blogs, again, most everything is DI.
The plain fact is there are just not that many DI slots open. Factor into that the importance of "fit," and the numbers decrease considerable.
This is a long worded answer to say that no one on this board can truly answer your real question based on the limited information in your question about your son wasting his time.
I can assure you that if you provide more information, you will get lots more input, guidance, and solid recommendations.
Details, my son is 6'3" RHP whose fastball runs 87-88, with good location, has a change and curve. His summer team played in the Perfect Games over the summer, and he recently attended a PG showcase, rating a 9. He has also attended several college "showcase" camps. He's also a good student. He's received calls from D2,D3, NAIA, and jucos. His goal has always been to play with a D1 program. Not sure what else I can add.
Thank you for the additional information.
Having a 9 rating from PG clearly means he is a DI prospect. The fact that none have contacted your son is puzzling, but DI recruiting isn't a science.
With that information, I would propose your son needs to be very involved. Perhaps he needs to expand his list of schools and start contacting coaches/emailing and mailing coaches and providing them the information you have just posted.
There are plenty of good DI programs in need of quality pitching and good students. A PG rating of 9 for a pitcher means something to college coaches.
What your information suggests to me is that your son has the talent to compete at the DI level.
It also suggests you and your son need to change whatever methods you have been using to get recruited, or change the colleges in focus, to get the results he wants, or both.
Having a 9 rating from PG clearly means he is a DI prospect. The fact that none have contacted your son is puzzling, but DI recruiting isn't a science.
With that information, I would propose your son needs to be very involved. Perhaps he needs to expand his list of schools and start contacting coaches/emailing and mailing coaches and providing them the information you have just posted.
There are plenty of good DI programs in need of quality pitching and good students. A PG rating of 9 for a pitcher means something to college coaches.
What your information suggests to me is that your son has the talent to compete at the DI level.
It also suggests you and your son need to change whatever methods you have been using to get recruited, or change the colleges in focus, to get the results he wants, or both.
Thank you all for your feedback. My son will be attending the PG World Series in Jupiter this month. If nothing comes of this. We'll go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan.
One thing you didn't mention is contacting coaches from colleges of interest in advance. This really works to get noticed. Maybe PGstaff poster can help as well.
cobbyakker,
you have a pm.
you have a pm.
I think a large part of being a bona fide D1 player and not getting interest is that many just limit their possibilities by only being seen by who they want to be seen by, the key is that you have to go way beyond your dream schools, if you wish to continue playing ball past HS.
JMO.
JMO.
Cobby,
You have a PM.
You have a PM.
I am kind of in the same boat. I haven't pitched more than 3 innings all summer and fall but I pitch better the longer I throw. I just don't showcase well, because of that.I am a very good pitcher but the only place I seem to be able to show it is in high school where I am not showcasing.
With that velocity, your son has a chance, but not a guarantee. The rating is a rating and that is all. A coach has to like him. There are kids here who are rated high and get great opportunities. There are also kids here with high ratings that leave folks scratching their heads wondering who was watching.
There is one kid here who runs a 6.6 who was described as slow. It just depends, to a large degree, on who is watching and when.
Good luck.
There is one kid here who runs a 6.6 who was described as slow. It just depends, to a large degree, on who is watching and when.
Good luck.
Cobby, this site is full of stories of kids going to D1, not getting playing time and they go to JC. Son has a couple on his JC team. The most positive aspect of going D1, D2 and D3 is the recruitment process is over, JC kids have to start all over again in trying to move up as soon as they start JC. For us, that part of college baseball was the most frustrating. Having a goal to play at that level is admirable, I hope the best for your son.
Son was not heavily recruited, and did not commit to a D1 till after his senior year. signed in July, with a great scholly.
Now a redshirt senior having sat out 2009 with injury.
Patience is the word here, with a back-up plan.
A lot of recruiting happens late, The need to fill holes after the draft.
EH
Now a redshirt senior having sat out 2009 with injury.
Patience is the word here, with a back-up plan.
A lot of recruiting happens late, The need to fill holes after the draft.
EH
Jemaz,
Was that something from us? I’m trying to figure out how anyone could see a kid capable of running a 6.6 and describe him as slow. I know we make mistakes at times, but that type of mistake would really surprise me.
Cobbyakker,
I have no idea who your son is, but based on the info you have shared he does sound like someone we would possibly grade a 9. I would guess that he projects in our mind to keep getting better. This is probably based on things like body type, athleticism, arm action, and his past history.
If we graded him a 9, we believe he can play at the DI level. Possibly a very high level of DI. That said there are many variables that affect recruitment of a quality player. I’ll try to give some examples…
If a player grades a 9 and he lives in a Midwestern state… He is likely to create some early signing interest.
If a player is from a location in the SE and especially if you are from Florida or Georgia, there are so many “9s” and even “10s” in those areas, that many of the 9s are not high priority within their immediate recruiting area.
Also, baseball is full of late bloomers who are much better from one year to the next. While the late bloomer can be a great prospect, it takes time for the recruiting world to catch up. After all, the recruiters are following the kids they are most familiar with.
We have found that in addition to the actual grade, the rankings are followed closely. In the case of a player recently getting a 9 grade it is possible he has yet to be entered into the actual crosschecker rankings. Though many might think differently, these rankings are followed closely by most of the better college programs. Not necessarily as a definitive recruiting answer, but as a definite interest creator. Highly ranked players do not go unnoticed! College coaches know the list is pretty good!
Sometimes, an excellent prospect as either a pitcher or as a position player is confusing because they play both. They might be a great DI prospect at one position, but considered a follow at the other position.
I could go on and give many other reasons why some are not recruited as hard as others. Truth is, mistakes are made a lot by both us and college recruiters. You might want to look through the pgcrosschecker files (if you subscribe to it) or just check PG site and you will see many players graded 9 that have no college commitment at this time. You will see pitchers who have thrown 90 mph, and other outstanding players who are not committed yet. There will be many who will not sign during the early signing period.
My suggestion is to keep working hard and be somewhat patient. At the same time understand that there are many DI schools who would want you. They just might be located outside the state you live in. Often players unsigned in November, start drawing more interest from schools outside their state or region. In the beginning these schools all gear in on the players within their region. Example… Colleges from Virginia will not spend as much effort on kids (other than the very elite level kids) from states like Georgia. That is because they know that most of the top kids from Georgia (and there are a ton of them) are not likely to leave the state. Georgia schools have a great advantage there! The top kids that do leave Georgia usually end up at top schools if they leave the state. It usually takes a BIG scholarship offer to get them!
Bottom line is this… There are more DI potential players than there are DI opportunities. There are many DI potential players that end up not going to DI. If a player is insistent on playing DI and he is a 9, but not being recruited by DI schools, he needs to expand the boundaries. I suggest you make a list of several DI schools contact them and tell them you will be playing in the WWBA at Jupiter. Chances are very good that they will be there and chances are that the PG report and the grade will cause them to take a close look at your son.
We are not in the recruiting service business but that doesn’t mean we never help talented kids find a college. In fact, I’m pretty sure that we do that much more than the recruiting services do, even though we don’t charge anything for that. Our business revolves around helping both the players and the college coaches as well as the MLB scouting departments. It is in our best interst to help all of the above when we can. And we do!
I’m using Georgia as an example above, mainly just guessing based on your user name. If your son is truly a 9, and you are comfortable doing so, send a PM with his name. We know of many DI colleges that would at least be interested in players like your son.
The last piece, actually far from the least important, is your sons academic standing. The other thing is his demeanor and make up. Those are two things that can really get in the way. Obviously not saying these things are in your son’s way.
Good luck
quote:There is one kid here who runs a 6.6 who was described as slow.
Was that something from us? I’m trying to figure out how anyone could see a kid capable of running a 6.6 and describe him as slow. I know we make mistakes at times, but that type of mistake would really surprise me.
Cobbyakker,
I have no idea who your son is, but based on the info you have shared he does sound like someone we would possibly grade a 9. I would guess that he projects in our mind to keep getting better. This is probably based on things like body type, athleticism, arm action, and his past history.
If we graded him a 9, we believe he can play at the DI level. Possibly a very high level of DI. That said there are many variables that affect recruitment of a quality player. I’ll try to give some examples…
If a player grades a 9 and he lives in a Midwestern state… He is likely to create some early signing interest.
If a player is from a location in the SE and especially if you are from Florida or Georgia, there are so many “9s” and even “10s” in those areas, that many of the 9s are not high priority within their immediate recruiting area.
Also, baseball is full of late bloomers who are much better from one year to the next. While the late bloomer can be a great prospect, it takes time for the recruiting world to catch up. After all, the recruiters are following the kids they are most familiar with.
We have found that in addition to the actual grade, the rankings are followed closely. In the case of a player recently getting a 9 grade it is possible he has yet to be entered into the actual crosschecker rankings. Though many might think differently, these rankings are followed closely by most of the better college programs. Not necessarily as a definitive recruiting answer, but as a definite interest creator. Highly ranked players do not go unnoticed! College coaches know the list is pretty good!
Sometimes, an excellent prospect as either a pitcher or as a position player is confusing because they play both. They might be a great DI prospect at one position, but considered a follow at the other position.
I could go on and give many other reasons why some are not recruited as hard as others. Truth is, mistakes are made a lot by both us and college recruiters. You might want to look through the pgcrosschecker files (if you subscribe to it) or just check PG site and you will see many players graded 9 that have no college commitment at this time. You will see pitchers who have thrown 90 mph, and other outstanding players who are not committed yet. There will be many who will not sign during the early signing period.
My suggestion is to keep working hard and be somewhat patient. At the same time understand that there are many DI schools who would want you. They just might be located outside the state you live in. Often players unsigned in November, start drawing more interest from schools outside their state or region. In the beginning these schools all gear in on the players within their region. Example… Colleges from Virginia will not spend as much effort on kids (other than the very elite level kids) from states like Georgia. That is because they know that most of the top kids from Georgia (and there are a ton of them) are not likely to leave the state. Georgia schools have a great advantage there! The top kids that do leave Georgia usually end up at top schools if they leave the state. It usually takes a BIG scholarship offer to get them!
Bottom line is this… There are more DI potential players than there are DI opportunities. There are many DI potential players that end up not going to DI. If a player is insistent on playing DI and he is a 9, but not being recruited by DI schools, he needs to expand the boundaries. I suggest you make a list of several DI schools contact them and tell them you will be playing in the WWBA at Jupiter. Chances are very good that they will be there and chances are that the PG report and the grade will cause them to take a close look at your son.
We are not in the recruiting service business but that doesn’t mean we never help talented kids find a college. In fact, I’m pretty sure that we do that much more than the recruiting services do, even though we don’t charge anything for that. Our business revolves around helping both the players and the college coaches as well as the MLB scouting departments. It is in our best interst to help all of the above when we can. And we do!
I’m using Georgia as an example above, mainly just guessing based on your user name. If your son is truly a 9, and you are comfortable doing so, send a PM with his name. We know of many DI colleges that would at least be interested in players like your son.
The last piece, actually far from the least important, is your sons academic standing. The other thing is his demeanor and make up. Those are two things that can really get in the way. Obviously not saying these things are in your son’s way.
Good luck
quote:The other thing is his demeanor and make up. Those are two things that can really get in the way.
PG, will you elaborate on your comment please? I understand what you are saying. However, how do coaches judge such a thing by just watching a player in a game or a showcase? Thanks.
quote:PG, will you elaborate on your comment please? I understand what you are saying. However, how do coaches judge such a thing by just watching a player in a game or a showcase? Thanks.
Most often it works like this…
1 – Coach hears about a player
2 – Coach sees the player
3 – Coach likes what he sees
4 – Coach checks player’s academics
5 – Coach determines player’s make up
1 – Talent
2 – Grades
3 – Make Up
In most cases, the first determination is made based on talent.
Then grades are checked out.
If the first two cause serious interest, coaches will watch everything the player does… How he acts in certain situations, how he reacts to certain results, how he interacts with teammates, how he carries himself, how he interacts with his coaches, how tough is he, how much effort does he display, is he a winner, does he make good decisions, is he a real baseball player or does he just play baseball, and anything else that will help the coach in determining the players make up. There are hundreds of things that fall into this category. (Pretend that you are the recruiter and it becomes easier to understand) Sometimes it is so obvious (good or bad) it knocks you over. Sometimes a simple conversation can open or close the door.
If someone pays close attention to recruiters at events, you will often see them hanging around the dugout, getting close as possible to the action or even going down the opposite line to watch what takes place in the dugout. Sometimes they will ask who the parents are and observe them. The best recruiters want to know everything possible so they can make a good decision.
Sometimes players pass the test with flying colors when it comes to talent and grades only to fall short on the rest. Then sometimes the talent is so great, that coaches will take a chance on the rest. Contrary to popular belief… Sometimes talent alone is enough! But it has to be exceptional talent.
Great post PG
agree wholeheartedly with pg...for the majority of players whose talent level falls below the exceptional talent level the intangibles are crucial. had an experience this summer with a recruiter who came to watch a game and spent most of the time looking into the dugout, watching the player in the on deck circle preparing for an at bat, interacting with coaches and teammates, watching the opposing pitcher etc. for the kid who can play but is not the five star recruit the intangibles may make or break him.
Recruitment is going on very early these days.
However, the early recruiting scramble is for players who may or may not actually hit the campus due to draft.
If your son does not get picked up early dont panic. A lot of recruiting goes on in the spring too. When college coaches get an idea of who they signed early that they may lose in the draft. They will pick up someone else.
This also happens in the summer for the same reason....
You can not overstate how important grades are. Keep playing with a good attitude and hustle. If your kid can do what you said he should be fine.
Also, consider going to the PG World Showcase (FL) in January if your child is not signed by Jan.
That is one event I regret my son not going to.
However, the early recruiting scramble is for players who may or may not actually hit the campus due to draft.
If your son does not get picked up early dont panic. A lot of recruiting goes on in the spring too. When college coaches get an idea of who they signed early that they may lose in the draft. They will pick up someone else.
This also happens in the summer for the same reason....
You can not overstate how important grades are. Keep playing with a good attitude and hustle. If your kid can do what you said he should be fine.
Also, consider going to the PG World Showcase (FL) in January if your child is not signed by Jan.
That is one event I regret my son not going to.
What do you know about the PG World Showcase? Is it worthwhile? Heavily scouted? thanks
Great posts here. PG's posts are extrememly imformative and well put.
I have a (2010) son that is in the same unsigned position. He is applying to colleges in the next 2 months. He will apply where he would go without baseball, as well as at the one D1 that has been following him for baseball. As a 3-sport athlete, he won't be able to showcase effectively until the spring, so we aren't expecting any more recruiting than he has experienced.
I was wondering how it works next spring and summer. He will find out which schools will accept him in the early spring. Won't he have to make a choice sometime shortly after that? Does he delay his choice somehow, or does he make a choice and then back out if a baseball opportuity arises later in the spring or summer?
I have a (2010) son that is in the same unsigned position. He is applying to colleges in the next 2 months. He will apply where he would go without baseball, as well as at the one D1 that has been following him for baseball. As a 3-sport athlete, he won't be able to showcase effectively until the spring, so we aren't expecting any more recruiting than he has experienced.
I was wondering how it works next spring and summer. He will find out which schools will accept him in the early spring. Won't he have to make a choice sometime shortly after that? Does he delay his choice somehow, or does he make a choice and then back out if a baseball opportuity arises later in the spring or summer?
tricks15,
Typically 50 to 100 MLB scouts with many national crosscheckers and usually 6 to 12 MLB Scouting Directors.
Last year the scouting directors included Roy Clark (Braves), RJ Harrison (RAYS), Tim Wilkin (CUBS), Damon Oppenheimer (Yankees), Ron Hopkins (Rangers), Stan Meek (Marlins), Joe Jordan (Orioles) and there were others.
It is only worthwhile if a player is a potential draft pick or relatively unknown and unsigned by a college. DI College coaches can not attend, but they have "eyes" at this event and follow it closely.
Just for fun here are some Major League players who have attended this event.
Sean Gallagher (Padres)
Justin Upton (D'Backs)
BJ Upton (Rays)
Andrew Miller (Marlins)
Lastings Milledge (Pirates)
Andrew McCutchen (Pirates)
Sean Rodriguez (Rays)
Ryan Sweeney (A's)
Greg Reynolds (Rockies)
Adam Jones (Orioles)
Chris Perez (Indians)
Tyler Clippard (Nationals)
Zach Greinke (Royals)
Wesley Wright (Astros)
Robert Andino (Orioles)
Gabby Sanchez (Marlins)
Elijah Dukes (Nationals)
Lance Broadway (Mets)
Trevor Crowe (Indians)
Bobby Livingston (Mariners, now with Pirates)
Chris Resop (Marlins/Braves, now Japan)
Andy Gonzalez (White Sox, not sure which team now)
Kevin Hart (Cubs)Geovany Soto (Cubs)
Dana Eveland (A's)
Mark Worrell (Cardinals/Padres)
Chris Young (D'Backs)
David Aardsma (Mariners)
Brian Barton (Cardinals/Braves)
Victor Diaz (Rangers) Retired
Zach Duke (Pirates)
Jason Jaramillo (Phillies)
Matt Macri (Twins)
Nick Masset (Rangers/Reds)
Dustin McGowan (Blue Jays)
Jason Miller (Twins)
Zach Miner (Tigers)
Jose Morales (Twins)
Mike Morse (Mariners/Nationals)
Colt Morton (Padres/Mariners)
Landon Powell (A's)
Scott Kazmir (Rays/Angels)
Billy Sadler (Giants/Astros)
Carl Crawford (Rays)
Cody Ross (Marlins)
David Purcey (Blue Jays)
Brad Nelson (Brewers)
Joel Hanrahan (Nationals/Pirates)
Ben Francisco (Phillies)
Eric Reed (Marlins)
Brian Wolfe (Blue Jays)
Dewon Brazelton (Rays/Padres)
Brad Salmon (Reds/Angels)
Chad Santos (Giants)
Ian Desmond (Nationals)
There are more
There a a very large number in the Minor Leagues and College Baseball.
Other notable players would include...
Reymond Fuentes
Xavier Avery
Michael Burgess
Kentrail Davis
Yasmani Grandal
Chris Dominguez
Jemile Weeks
Pedro Alvarez
Chris Garcia
Derrick Robinson
Jonathan Arencibia
Chris Lubanski
Jacob Stevens
Adam Donachie
Miguel Negron
and many other first round or early round draft picks. I'm probably slighting a very good player by forgetting to mention him here. Haven't got time to go over all of them.
Last year Jameson Tallion became the #1 ranked player in his class at this event!
Guess you could say it is covered pretty well and it is geared towards those who are extremely talented.
I apologize if there are any mistakes in the information above. Tried to be as accurate as possible.
Typically 50 to 100 MLB scouts with many national crosscheckers and usually 6 to 12 MLB Scouting Directors.
Last year the scouting directors included Roy Clark (Braves), RJ Harrison (RAYS), Tim Wilkin (CUBS), Damon Oppenheimer (Yankees), Ron Hopkins (Rangers), Stan Meek (Marlins), Joe Jordan (Orioles) and there were others.
It is only worthwhile if a player is a potential draft pick or relatively unknown and unsigned by a college. DI College coaches can not attend, but they have "eyes" at this event and follow it closely.
Just for fun here are some Major League players who have attended this event.
Sean Gallagher (Padres)
Justin Upton (D'Backs)
BJ Upton (Rays)
Andrew Miller (Marlins)
Lastings Milledge (Pirates)
Andrew McCutchen (Pirates)
Sean Rodriguez (Rays)
Ryan Sweeney (A's)
Greg Reynolds (Rockies)
Adam Jones (Orioles)
Chris Perez (Indians)
Tyler Clippard (Nationals)
Zach Greinke (Royals)
Wesley Wright (Astros)
Robert Andino (Orioles)
Gabby Sanchez (Marlins)
Elijah Dukes (Nationals)
Lance Broadway (Mets)
Trevor Crowe (Indians)
Bobby Livingston (Mariners, now with Pirates)
Chris Resop (Marlins/Braves, now Japan)
Andy Gonzalez (White Sox, not sure which team now)
Kevin Hart (Cubs)Geovany Soto (Cubs)
Dana Eveland (A's)
Mark Worrell (Cardinals/Padres)
Chris Young (D'Backs)
David Aardsma (Mariners)
Brian Barton (Cardinals/Braves)
Victor Diaz (Rangers) Retired
Zach Duke (Pirates)
Jason Jaramillo (Phillies)
Matt Macri (Twins)
Nick Masset (Rangers/Reds)
Dustin McGowan (Blue Jays)
Jason Miller (Twins)
Zach Miner (Tigers)
Jose Morales (Twins)
Mike Morse (Mariners/Nationals)
Colt Morton (Padres/Mariners)
Landon Powell (A's)
Scott Kazmir (Rays/Angels)
Billy Sadler (Giants/Astros)
Carl Crawford (Rays)
Cody Ross (Marlins)
David Purcey (Blue Jays)
Brad Nelson (Brewers)
Joel Hanrahan (Nationals/Pirates)
Ben Francisco (Phillies)
Eric Reed (Marlins)
Brian Wolfe (Blue Jays)
Dewon Brazelton (Rays/Padres)
Brad Salmon (Reds/Angels)
Chad Santos (Giants)
Ian Desmond (Nationals)
There are more
There a a very large number in the Minor Leagues and College Baseball.
Other notable players would include...
Reymond Fuentes
Xavier Avery
Michael Burgess
Kentrail Davis
Yasmani Grandal
Chris Dominguez
Jemile Weeks
Pedro Alvarez
Chris Garcia
Derrick Robinson
Jonathan Arencibia
Chris Lubanski
Jacob Stevens
Adam Donachie
Miguel Negron
and many other first round or early round draft picks. I'm probably slighting a very good player by forgetting to mention him here. Haven't got time to go over all of them.
Last year Jameson Tallion became the #1 ranked player in his class at this event!
Guess you could say it is covered pretty well and it is geared towards those who are extremely talented.
I apologize if there are any mistakes in the information above. Tried to be as accurate as possible.
tricks15
Im going to expand on what PG said about the World Showcase event. But I want to give a different reason. College budgets are tight and getting tighter. College scouts just dont have the money to travel a bunch. They have to be selective and stay relatively close to home. However, PG has opened up some doors for colleges to scout without traveling
PG has developed a very good reputation with colleges as well as the MLB of rating kids pretty spot on for their level of talent and coaches can look at raw skills numbers like 6.8 60 yrd dash or 1.94 pop time or 88-89 fb velocity range. They also can read the report for words like projectable, upside, handsy, raw, polished, developing, etc.
PG takes video of game action and skill action for coaches to evaluate with their own eyes. A lot of colleges use PGCrosschecker to start looking for their recruits.
Hmmmm, says the coach on PGCrosschecker... I need a catcher. So the coach uses the advanced search on PGC looking for a catcher rated above a 9. Gets a list of the uncommitted ones and goes to BBWeb TV and looks at all of the players videos. Narrowing down here without the college spending a dime or leaving their chair. Cant find one... same criteria go to 8.5 and so on.
Plus if your player does well at the event then PG writes him up, blogs, press releases, ratings, rankings....the player is given national press and not one coach had to violate any dead period rules.
Go to the World event if your kid is commited or not. The World Showcase is part of running the full mile.
Im going to expand on what PG said about the World Showcase event. But I want to give a different reason. College budgets are tight and getting tighter. College scouts just dont have the money to travel a bunch. They have to be selective and stay relatively close to home. However, PG has opened up some doors for colleges to scout without traveling
PG has developed a very good reputation with colleges as well as the MLB of rating kids pretty spot on for their level of talent and coaches can look at raw skills numbers like 6.8 60 yrd dash or 1.94 pop time or 88-89 fb velocity range. They also can read the report for words like projectable, upside, handsy, raw, polished, developing, etc.
PG takes video of game action and skill action for coaches to evaluate with their own eyes. A lot of colleges use PGCrosschecker to start looking for their recruits.
Hmmmm, says the coach on PGCrosschecker... I need a catcher. So the coach uses the advanced search on PGC looking for a catcher rated above a 9. Gets a list of the uncommitted ones and goes to BBWeb TV and looks at all of the players videos. Narrowing down here without the college spending a dime or leaving their chair. Cant find one... same criteria go to 8.5 and so on.
Plus if your player does well at the event then PG writes him up, blogs, press releases, ratings, rankings....the player is given national press and not one coach had to violate any dead period rules.
Go to the World event if your kid is commited or not. The World Showcase is part of running the full mile.
I did not read all the post so I am not sure it was touched on. Colleges are always looking. 2010 players are still in the hunt for scholarships or roster spots. During the colleges season things can change for teams. Players might transfer, go into the draft, incoming recruits get drafted and sign. So many things can happen that spots open up for HS seniors. We had a pitcher last year who was seen at a Connie Mack game. The head coach from a school liked him quite a bit. He asked more about him to get his story. He had improved greatly from the time they last saw him. They had the pitcher come to campus to see if would be a fit. Everything worked out for the kid. All of this happened in late July after he graduated. He was going to go to a NAIA but now he is at D1. He just keep playing baseball as best he could and it worked out. I run across too many players playing for the scholarship and not the love of the game. Play the game and if you are good enough the scholly will come.
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thanks playfair and PGStaff for your help. We will definitely check it out!
tricks15,
I take it that your son has received an invitation to that event. If so, that is a good sign, but you should know that this is not necessarily a good event for anything but the best players.
If a player is not very talented he will stand out like a sore thumb. That kind of exposure can be a very negative experience. Once again, that probably does not pertain to you, but along with all those names posted above, there are others who didn't get anything positive out of attending that event. Just want to make sure that you understand before spending any money on a wild goose chase.
I take it that your son has received an invitation to that event. If so, that is a good sign, but you should know that this is not necessarily a good event for anything but the best players.
If a player is not very talented he will stand out like a sore thumb. That kind of exposure can be a very negative experience. Once again, that probably does not pertain to you, but along with all those names posted above, there are others who didn't get anything positive out of attending that event. Just want to make sure that you understand before spending any money on a wild goose chase.
Oh yeah, that performing well thing always gets in the way of a good plan.
I want to address the original poster's point regarding D1 schools being done with their 2010 recruiting.
There are certainly schools who wrap up their senior class by this point. Out here, Stanford is an example of a program who always seems to be done by October.
Now keep in mind that there are programs who may be finished for the early period, but are keeping some options open for the spring.
In addition, its often remarkable how things can change between the middle of November and the spring/summer.
By April 15, programs often have a good idea of the freshman they like, and those they think need to go away.
By April 15, programs have a good sense of which juniors are performing well enough to be likely signees in the MLB draft.
By April 15, programs may have revisited some of their November signees and not liked what they see development wise....perhaps a strong suggestion is forthcoming that November signee may not be a good fit in the fall. (sorry folks but it does happen)
All of these potential scenarios equate to opportunity to players who did not sign in the early period.
I can tell you that out here in the desert, we've had a high number of significant signings in the spring time over the last few years.
I think early offers and commitments are certainly much more prone to be mistakes...its common sense that the longer both parties can wait,the more accurate the evaluation will be on both sides of the decision.
There are certainly schools who wrap up their senior class by this point. Out here, Stanford is an example of a program who always seems to be done by October.
Now keep in mind that there are programs who may be finished for the early period, but are keeping some options open for the spring.
In addition, its often remarkable how things can change between the middle of November and the spring/summer.
By April 15, programs often have a good idea of the freshman they like, and those they think need to go away.
By April 15, programs have a good sense of which juniors are performing well enough to be likely signees in the MLB draft.
By April 15, programs may have revisited some of their November signees and not liked what they see development wise....perhaps a strong suggestion is forthcoming that November signee may not be a good fit in the fall. (sorry folks but it does happen)
All of these potential scenarios equate to opportunity to players who did not sign in the early period.
I can tell you that out here in the desert, we've had a high number of significant signings in the spring time over the last few years.
I think early offers and commitments are certainly much more prone to be mistakes...its common sense that the longer both parties can wait,the more accurate the evaluation will be on both sides of the decision.
rbinaz
I totally agree
I totally agree
Great post, rb. I agree with TR. 