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Saw a high school game a few weeks ago with this scenario and was curious as to how college coaches looking to recruit would see this situation. 

Pitcher 1: 87-90 mph (inn 1-4) 84-86 (5th) and 81-83 in the 7th 

Pitcher 2: 83-85 all game. But turned it up to 89/90 when in trouble in the later innings and when the big hitters came up. 

Tie game after 7 when both hit the pitch count limit. 

Player 1 clearly ran out of gas. Was player 2 was saving something for later or is the velocity down so he can come with 90 when he needs it (aka stamina won't last if velocity is up all game)? Both guys listed at 90 on PG. 

I've seen Verlander at 92-95 for 7 innings and then turn it up to 99/100 when he needs to make pitches. Same with Scherzer and some of the other top guys- they don't bring it unless they need to. I know comparing Cy Young winners to high schoolers is silly but just an example. 

So the question: How do coaches see the stamina issue for P1?  Do coaches show up expecting 90 and dismiss player 2 when they get to the game and see 84 on the gun? Are they staying the whole game to see the drop off in P1 and the extra speed on P2? 

 

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It's not unusual for a young  pitcher to run out of gas. That kind of gets corrected as the pitcher moves to the next level and matures.

It's pretty hard to answer as you have left out specifics. 

What were the pitch counts in each inning, did any pitcher go deep into the count and what were they throwing, FB, off speed, breaking ball?

College coaches want pitchers that throw strikes and get hitters out. Good pitching coaches look for players they can help to improve by working on their mechanics. The good ones see flaws they might be able to correct and make them first rounders, Florida's Kevin O'Sullivan is a master at that.

 

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Our younger son typically started HS games at 84/85 but was a few mph faster by the 3rd inning.  If he gave up a run, it was almost always early and as TPM says, he threw strikes and had exceptional command for a HS pitcher.  Thats probably what kept college coaches around for a few innings and allowed them to see the velocity pickup as he settled in.

The college coach who recruited him once told me he was at a game and saw 83/84/85 on the gun.  Was a little concerned but the scouts nearby told him, 'Just wait till the 3rd, he'll be 88/89' and he was.

Stamina is not an issue for recruiter or scouts. A HS body and physical training are typically nothing compared to the next level; in other words stamina can be addressed in the weight room and by natural growth.

(Id also note that velos seen at one game dont necessarily paint a complete picture: exams, papers, baseball work load, a good night's sleep and other daily things all can impact velo. During recruiting, I watched a senior pitcher at a college sit 85. He was supposed ro be low 90s. He had delayed finishing his senior thesis and had been pulling all nighters to catch up. Nine years later, hes still throwing - in the 90s in MLB.)

OP discribed (to me) one pitcher a bit more advanced in that he paced himself. That can be taught.  As TPM pointed out, many coaches look at recruits through  a lense of "what can I improve" with the nascent pitcher - so a non-athletic guy sitting 90 with a smooth effortless delivery may be maxed out; while the 86 pitcher is athletic but has several mechanical issues which can be fixed and therefore has a higher upside.

Both pitchers have potential to pitch D1. Beyond that, its recuiters preferences and perceived ability to fix certain issues which dictate which guy gets attention.

Will scouts/RCs stay and watch an entire game? Depends upon the player, the coach, time available, other  committments, etc. Some scouts and coaches work harder then others; and sometimes multiple kids are playing multiple games on the same day at the same time- and you try to see each one by watching,  e.g., two innings here and three innings there.

 

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