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Two questoins??

C cccsdad100+ posts
1) Runner on 1st and 3rd, ball is pitched, on the passed ball, the runner from 3rd comes home and the runner on 1st goes to 2nd, as the catcher picks up the ball to throw to the pitcher who is covering home the coach for the defensive team calls time, the field ump brain farts and yells time, even though the ball is still live and the runners are still advancing towards home and 2nd . (by the way, I was the filed ump, who did this) then says, no, no, no it's still a live ball. The defensive teams coach demands that since I called time, the runners have to return to 1st and 3rd. After a brief conference we said the play stands, runner at 2nd stays and the run that crossed the plate stays. My justification was this "coach you made a mistake by calling for time when the ball was still live, and I made a mistake by granting time. The time call did not effect the play in any way, so the play stands. Was this correct?

2) runner on 1st, pitcher throwing from the stretch, comes set, his coach yells for him to step off, the pitcher steps off the back of the rubber and for some reason throws home anyway. The runner goes to 2nd, the home plate umpire calls a balk. I was under the impression that if the pithcher steps off the back of the mound and is totally disengaged, he can throw the ball any where he wants?
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
In sitch 1 I would say correct result for the wrong reason. I would say he caused the problem and the PU compounded it by allowing it, so now we are going to award what we think would have happened minus the the time call.
In sitch 2 he can't throw to an unoccupied base except to make a play. Now obviously the plate will never be occupied but you could step off and throw to make a play. Unfortunately there wasn't a R3 so I would call the balk.
To be honest, I've never seen this happen so this is my off the cuff thought. Let's see what others have. PIAA?
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
MST...spent the day watching my son play his doubleheader in Maryland....unfortunatly a bit too far west to be in your neck of the woods....Frostburg State University...we have to get that game in soon.

but on to the 2 situations....

In 1 ...I am going to invoke what you and I call the CSFP (common sense, fair play) method....I put the runners where they would have gotten absent the error of the inadvertant time out....agree with you.....make the award minus the time call..

In 2 I've got a Balk....I will look deeper into the reference material, to see what can be found, my thoughts around my balk call come from simulating a pitch from off the rubber...but not 100% on this.
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by cccsdad:
I was under the impression that once the pitcher stepped off the back of the rubber, he became like any other fielder and coudl throw to any base.

If he steps off he can't balk in the traditional sence. However he can't do anything that looks like a pitch while off the rubber. As far as throwing where he wants he can't if the umpire feels he is delaying the game.
Z Z-Dad10+ posts
On #2 I am pretty sure it should be called an illegal pitch...

OBR: An ILLEGAL PITCH is (1) a pitch delivered to the batter when the pitcher does not have his pivot foot in contact with the pitcher's plate; (2) a quick return pitch. An illegal pitch when runners are on base is a balk.

In this case, I am assuming the kid was planning on pitching and thought his coach meant for him to pitch with the foot off the rubber.
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